Evolution debunked in 1 paragraph.

[Trader666]

Here's your full quote.

Another disastrous problem with Pascal's Wager for religious believers is, it's every bit as likely that the Christian God gave the gift of rational skepticism, and therefore after providing so many obvious clues, such as being unfalsifiable Itself, It expects the correct understanding to be that there is no God.
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If God exists, "the correct understanding" would be that there IS a God. NOT that "there is no God." What part of that don't you understand? Great example of classic STUpidity and being blinded by biases

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Right so you link to something in concordance with what I said, and you think that’s a contradiction.
Are you even aware how unintelligent you're being?

You're too unread for this conversation.

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Pascal's Wager does not imply a Jesus whether or not you or Jem imply one.

Like I say, when you get anything that resembles a rational argument let me know.

 

[Trader666]

Yet more colossal, classic STUpidity

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The Christian God would have to be an atheist anyway, so it's just as likely any Heaven would be for those like Itself.

 

[Big Kahuna]

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Yet more colossal, classic STUpidity

+1

 

[stu]

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Here's your full quote.

Another disastrous problem with Pascal's Wager for religious believers is, it's every bit as likely that the Christian God gave the gift of rational skepticism, and therefore after providing so many obvious clues, such as being unfalsifiable Itself, It expects the correct understanding to be that there is no God.
http://www.elitetrader.com/vb/showthread.php?s=&postid=3233482&#post3233482

If God exists, "the correct understanding" would be that there IS a God. NOT that "there is no God." What part of that don't you understand? Great example of classic STUpidity and being blinded by biases

The correct understanding for a religious believer surely, would be the understanding God would want you to have.

According to Pascal you cannot know what God wants. It may just as much want you to correctly understand by placing a "does not exist" or no bet at all, as much as any other bet, thus making the Wager completely useless.

Which is exactly what it is. An utterly flawed philosophical argument that doesn't do what it promises.
Useless.
As is your response.

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You're too unread for this conversation.

Yes you are, without a doubt.

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Yet more colossal, classic STUpidity

You can't rationalize your silly beliefs so you resort to silly insult .
How religious of you.

 

[jem]

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The correct understanding for a religious believer surely, would be the understanding God would want you to have.

According to Pascal you cannot know what God wants. It may just as much want you to correctly understand by placing a "does not exist" or no bet at all, as much as any other bet, thus making the Wager completely useless.

Which is exactly what it is. An utterly flawed philosophical argument that doesn't do what it promises.
Useless.
As is your response.



Yes you are, without a doubt.



You can't rationalize your silly beliefs so you resort to silly insult .
How religious of you.

you miss the point of the wager and its logic...

but even on your level....

any God who desires you find "none of the above" or "no belief" or "God does not exist" is not going to punish you if you have belief.

At the very least even with our scenario the downside of believing is far smaller than the upside of believing

Pacals logic remains unchallenged by you.

Finally, in Pascals scenario.... it is a given you must bet. You might try reading it in context, you might take a more educated position.

 

[jem]

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Typical. All you can do is produce another list of inane comments tantamount to saying I'd be King of the World if only I could prove the Earth is flat.

Well I have news just for you. The Earth is not Flat because the assertion has been reasonably logically rationally refuted.

The equally ridiculous comments you make in your lists have also all been reasonably logically rationally refuted from all quarters and even in the pages of ET.

At that point, the more reasonable logical rational thing to do would be to supply a reasonable, logical, rational rebuttal ....
but all you can manage is ...

... repeat the same list of inane comments


So the best you have to prop up your religiously motivated assertions is redundant repetition.

It does though demonstrate each time how you are either dumb / deceitful or both.

I repeat the comments because you never respond with any proof.

so once again -- will you be a troll? or will you provide a link to some evidence...

1. provide a link to a peer reviewed scientist... who says he has found proof of a pathway from non life to life here on earth.

 

[Trader666]

Sorry you're so STUpid you can't grasp that if God exists, the "correct understanding" is that God IS. But we've seen that you're used to "thinking" the "correct understanding" is what you want so we understand your malfunction even if you don't.

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The correct understanding for a religious believer surely, would be the understanding God would want you to have.

Try researching the wager and the thoughtful challenges to it. Yours is flawed and has been dismissed long ago.

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According to Pascal... blah, blah, blah... thus making the Wager completely useless... blah, blah, blah... An utterly flawed philosophical argument that doesn't do what it promises.

You might want to print out this thread, highlight what you wrote below and take it to your therapist (or future therapist if you don't have one yet).

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You can't rationalize your silly beliefs so you resort to silly insult .
How religious of you.

 

[stu]

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Sorry you're so STUpid you can't grasp that if God exists, the "correct understanding" is that God IS. But we've seen that you're used to "thinking" the "correct understanding" is what you want so we understand your malfunction even if you don't.

Try researching the wager and the thoughtful challenges to it. Yours is flawed and has been dismissed long ago.

You might want to print out this thread, highlight what you wrote below and take it to your therapist (or future therapist if you don't have one yet).

As I said, let me know when you have anything like a reasonable argument.

 

[stu]

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you miss the point of the wager and its logic...

No. It's that I don't accept your nonsensical version of the Wager. That's a different thing altogether.

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but even on your level....

That's right, see if you can deal with the refutation I gave for once. It will be the first time you have done so.

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any God who desires you find "none of the above" or "no belief" or "God does not exist" is not going to punish you if you have belief.

You don't know that. According to Pascal, you can't know that .

Really, if you can't even understand what Pascal actually stipulates, you shouldn't be pretending only you know what's going on here. I even posted the thing for you.

Look....it starts out..... "If there is a God, He is infinitely incomprehensible, since, having, neither parts nor limits, He has no affinity to us. We are then incapable of knowing either what He is or if He is..."

See? Those are Pascal's rules for his Wager. You cannot know anything about what God is, let alone what 'He' will or will not do if you bet ‘He’ exists.

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At the very least even with our scenario the downside of believing is far smaller than the upside of believing

That's rubbish. It's perfectly obvious to anyone considering this rationally , that any downside is exactly the same as any upside.

The Wager is actually useless, because Pascal particularly specifies from the get go that you cannot know how what God even is, therefore how 'He' would react to a bet - for exists, or a bet - for doesn't exist cannot be known
So an upside (or downside however you look at it) - for exists could be just as much of a disaster . Find God's a contrarian to your own understanding of what you thought 'He' wants......and you're totally screwed.

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Pacals logic remains unchallenged by you.

Bullshit. You just can't face up to the the fact as usual , your Christian apologetics don't work

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Finally, in Pascals scenario.... it is a given you must bet. You might try reading it in context, you might take a more educated position.

The context and the logic is exactly why the Wager is crap. Like any religious doctrine, it tells you what to do without first properly thinking things through.

Pascal’s Wager does a great thinker like Pascal no credit.
But then that’s what religion does do to people . It drives otherwise perfectly rational beings into producing devastatingly flawed philosophical hogwash.

In your case, just non thinking hogwash.

 

[stu]

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I repeat the comments because you never respond with any proof.

so once again -- will you be a troll? or will you provide a link to some evidence...

1. provide a link to a peer reviewed scientist... who says he has found proof of a pathway from non life to life here on earth.

…There you go again. You just don't get it . Can't you help yourself at all?

This thread, like many others, is full of refutation and links in answer to your silly comments. You don't answer them.
You just make the same silly comments.

There is no proof that would suit some people that the Earth isn't Flat.
There is no proof that would ever suit you that the building blocks of life form from inorganic matter. But they do.

Funny though how you need no proof whatsoever, that life came from a non life-invisible, unknowable, imaginary, magic man.




More like weird actually.

gay too.