Evolution debunked in 1 paragraph.

[peilthetraveler]

Quote from stu:

...wanna bet.

Yep! I know you have a caricature in your mind of God being a fragile old man with a white beard and maybe holding a staff or something like that. Not really someone you would be scared of if you met them in a dark alley, right? In fact if God was like that, you might start to try to bully him and demand answers to your questions, maybe even poke him in the chest saying "Why didnt you show yourself to us so we didnt all go around thinking we were a bunch of highly evolved monkeys?"

I will try to explain what would happen if you did see God, but my analogy wont do this example justice.

Imagine you are alone in a desert. Nothing around for 100 miles. You turn around and see a 30 foot tall tyranasaurus rex about 10 feet away from you. It looks at you and you look at it, and you feel terror because you do not know what it will do, and if it comes after you, there is NOTHING you can do. You cant run, you can't hide, you cant explain yourself to it, you cant even get 2 steps for fear you will be struck down. All you can do is stand and stare, completely powerless and accept your fate.

 

[jem]

Quote from stu:

There is not one bit of science or a specific scientific statement amongst any of that cut&paste quote mining.

Can't you help yourself from just repeating the same nonsense over and over.

It's old and it's lame.
Apart from being fundamentally dishonest of you.

you are presented with quotes from top scientists and you call it old and lame.

I nominate you for troll of the decade.


you already know that hawking explained that some scientists have set up computer models which show that tweaking one variable even a tiny bit destroys the universe.

you already know nobel prize winner Stephen weinberg predicted the cosmological constant by extrapolating our earth was set up fro life to exist

you already know dozens of different top scientists have stated....
there is no way the universe would up this perfect by chance...

what background do you have to say they are wrong... why don't you show us your science indicating it did happen by chance?

are you that much of a bozo to think you know more than nobel prize winners...

are you so much of a clown you think those men, some atheist are going out and making those statements for no reason.


Finally what is not scientific about a nobel prize winner saying that there is not enough time for random chance to have created a living cell from non living material.

you are the one who does not understand science.

 

[jem]

I have asked you a dozen times to use science to dispute this quote...

yet you fail to do so.

"Bernard Carr is an astronomer at Queen Mary University, London. Unlike Martin Rees, he does not enjoy wooden-panelled rooms in his day job, but inhabits an office at the top of a concrete high-rise, the windows of which hang as if on the edge of the universe. He sums up the multiverse predicament: “Everyone has their own reason why they’re keen on the multiverse. But what it comes down to is that there are these physical constants that can’t be explained. It seems clear that there is fine tuning, and you either need a tuner, who chooses the constants so that we arise, or you need a multiverse, and then we have to be in one of the universes where the constants are right for life.”

But which comes first, tuner or tuned? Who or what is leading the dance? Isn’t conjuring up a multiverse to explain already outlandish fine-tuning tantamount to leaping out of the physical frying pan and into the metaphysical fire?

Unsurprisingly, the multiverse proposal has provoked ideological opposition. In 2005, the New York Times published an opinion piece by a Roman Catholic cardinal, Christoph Schönborn, in which he called it “an abdication of human intelligence.” That comment led to a slew of letters lambasting the claim that the multiverse is a hypothesis designed to avoid “the overwhelming evidence for purpose and design found in modern science.” But even if you don’t go along with the prince of the church on that, he had another point which does resonate with many physicists, regardless of their belief. The idea that the multiverse solves the fine-tuning of the universe by effectively declaring that everything is possible is in itself not a scientific explanation at all: if you allow yourself to hypothesize any number of worlds, you can account for anything but say very little about how or why."

http://www.philosophypress.co.uk/?p=137

 

[Trader666]

You STUpidly miss the point yet again. The original conversation was about Russell's teapot which, as he described, is falsifiable despite your claim to the contrary. Google SBSS System. Russell never envisioned SBSS and specifically wrote conditions for telescopes that he thought would make it unfalsifiable: "nobody would be able to disprove my assertion provided I were careful to add that the teapot is too small to be revealed even by our most powerful telescopes." Which means, what seems unfalsifiable may or may not actually be. Obviously you have no concept of this and are now backtracking by trying to move the goal posts after the game.

Quote from STUpid:

Russell's Teapot is Celestial. It an analogy. It's a mythological concept to illustrate a philosophical point.
Of course it isn't falsifiable, with the most powerful telescopes modern or not.

You can't use this template with God because you'd first have to assume God is mythical which would be circular reasoning. Not to mention that all things that seem to be just as unfalsifiable are NOT necessarily equally plausible. That's STUpid childish "thinking."

You couldn't reason your way out of a paper bag.

Quote from STUpid:

You cannot falsify any mythical concept.
All mythical things are in the end just as unfalsifiable as the next. That is they all are not falsifiable.

 

[Trader666]

This from the serial liar of ET atheists. You can't admit to the truth even when your face is rubbed in it.

Quote from STUpid:

Apart from being fundamentally dishonest of you.

 

[shortie]

Quote from peilthetraveler:

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I will try to explain what would happen if you did see God, but my analogy wont do this example justice.

Imagine you are alone in a desert. Nothing around for 100 miles. You turn around and see a 30 foot tall tyranasaurus rex about 10 feet away from you. It looks at you and you look at it, and you feel terror because you do not know what it will do, and if it comes after you, there is NOTHING you can do. You cant run, you can't hide, you cant explain yourself to it, you cant even get 2 steps for fear you will be struck down. All you can do is stand and stare, completely powerless and accept your fate.

So what's the exit strategy here? and how does this relate to your post that started this thread?

What if a really sexy tyrannosaurus rex bitch appeared out of nowhere? would this stop the torture? would this be a miracle?

 

[tradinglucy]

Quote from peilthetraveler:


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I will try to explain what would happen if you did see God, but my analogy wont do this example justice.

Imagine you are alone in a desert. Nothing around for 100 miles. You turn around and see a 30 foot tall tyranasaurus rex about 10 feet away from you. It looks at you and you look at it, and you feel terror because you do not know what it will do, and if it comes after you, there is NOTHING you can do. You cant run, you can't hide, you cant explain yourself to it, you cant even get 2 steps for fear you will be struck down. All you can do is stand and stare, completely powerless and accept your fate.

Fairy tale. No more, no less.

 

[Betapeg]

Quote from peilthetraveler:

If he did show himself, you would wish he didnt.

How would you know?

 

[Betapeg]

Quote from jem:

The designer has shown himself through our current scientific understanding...

If you choose not to study the science... that is your choice...

“When I began my career as a cosmologist some twenty years ago, I was a convinced atheist. I never in my wildest dreams imagined that one day I would be writing a book purporting to show that the central claims of Judeo-Christian theology are in fact true, that these claims are straightforward deductions of the laws of physics as we now understand them. I have been forced into these conclusions by the inexorable logic of my own special branch of physics.”

- Frank Tipler (Professor of Mathematical Physics) Tipler, F.J. 1994. The Physics Of Immortality. New York, Doubleday, Preface.

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here is a very famous former atheist...

It is, for example, impossible for evolution to account for the fact than one single cell can carry more data than all the volumes of the Encyclopedia Britannica put together.”

“It now seems to me that the findings of more than fifty years of DNA research have provided materials for a new and enormously powerful argument to design.”

-Anthony Flew
Professor of Philosophy, former atheist, author, and debater

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“If you equate the probability of the birth of a bacteria cell to chance assembly of its atoms, eternity will not suffice to produce one… Faced with the enormous sum of lucky draws behind the success of the evolutionary game, one may legitimately wonder to what extent this success is actually written into the fabric of the universe.”

- Christian de Duve. “A Guided Tour of the Living Cell” (Nobel laureate and organic chemist)

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Astronomy leads us to a unique event, a universe which was created out of nothing, one with the very delicate balance needed to provide exactly the conditions required to permit life, and one which has an underlying (one might say ‘supernatural’) plan.”

- Arno Penzias (Nobel prize in physics) Margenau, H and R.A. Varghese, ed. 1992. Cosmos, Bios, and Theos. La Salle, IL, Open Court, p. 83.

You can quote mine all you want but that still won't take anything away from the fact that the appearance of "fine-tuning" is not evidence of fine-tuning. You still ignore what quantum mechanics and chaos theory have to say on the matter.

 

[Betapeg]

Quote from peilthetraveler:

Yep! I know you have a caricature in your mind of God being a fragile old man with a white beard and maybe holding a staff or something like that. Not really someone you would be scared of if you met them in a dark alley, right? In fact if God was like that, you might start to try to bully him and demand answers to your questions, maybe even poke him in the chest saying "Why didnt you show yourself to us so we didnt all go around thinking we were a bunch of highly evolved monkeys?"

I will try to explain what would happen if you did see God, but my analogy wont do this example justice.

Imagine you are alone in a desert. Nothing around for 100 miles. You turn around and see a 30 foot tall tyranasaurus rex about 10 feet away from you. It looks at you and you look at it, and you feel terror because you do not know what it will do, and if it comes after you, there is NOTHING you can do. You cant run, you can't hide, you cant explain yourself to it, you cant even get 2 steps for fear you will be struck down. All you can do is stand and stare, completely powerless and accept your fate.

Basically, we should all convert to Christianity or else be sent to the eternal gulag. Sounds like North Korea to me where of course the Dear Leader loves his people. *wink wink*