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No Lucrum, not how Gabfly choose to believe, this is how most countries teach.
Look.
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2006/08/060810-evolution.html
Don't you mean a book that agrees with you?Quote from Gabfly1:
Can't quite pick up a real book and read it from cover to cover, can you?
The ole unicorn and spaghetti monster "argument" eh? Grow up Gabby.No one can disprove the existence of a god any more than disprove the existence of unicorns, blue swans, and spaghetti monsters...
Translation: someone more knowledgeable on the subject than you doesn't wholeheartedly agree with you therefore they must be wrong.And as for the rest of the post it's ideological crap (also).
Your beloved Dawkins actually used the word "shits"?Dawkins covers it fully, and he discusses how shits like Trader666 (and now you)
Which "God" of mine are you referring to Gabby? You're assuming/projecting again.The question is this: is your god so important to you that you need to hold back human understanding in any way you can just to keep your pipedream alive?
Another stupid comment/assumption.You talk about it not having to be just the one or the other, but everything you and those like you present comes from that same "other." Hypocrisy much?
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LOL!!!
Please pekelo teach me how evolution works...

If you had done a lot of science which taught you to question as you say, then it's a pity you apparently didn't get to question what science actually is.Quote from Eight:
Stupid political ploy... it's always "anybody that doesn't swallow the whole evolution story is anti-science"...
I use the term "science" in quotes to refer to the stuff that is not proven but presented as fact.. speculative things like macro evolution and global warming just to name a couple of big ones...
I've done a lot of science, engineering, research, etc. in my decades as a worker, it taught me to question assumptions and sort out data from information and assertions from conclusions... and to sort out political levels of argument from scientific levels of argument.. once the politics creeps into the discussion I know that person has not a clue about anything above the political level in the argument...
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If evolution, is truly a game of survival of the fittest, and animals mutate into something which is the most beneficial to themselves, how could you explain the phenomenom of "fainting goats."
I mean how could it possibly benefit an animal which is being attacked, to fall over, and stiffen up, and not move, and essentially allow their enemy to consume them with no contest?
I would love for someone to explain how the evolutionary chain, and Darwinism allowed this to happen.
Pure darwinism would have eliminated animals like this a long time ago.
There is absolutely no benefit to a goat "fainting" when it is attacked, and this is where i think that there is holes in the pure "evolution, survival of the fittest" argument.
In fact this is a quality that is completely detrimental to their survival, so random mutation should have eliminated it.
Good, then science when taught properly is nothing to do with belief.Quote from Lucrum:
"...What a majority of scientists may believe in the matter should not be the issue if we follow the guidelines laid down in the California Science Framework Draft: Students should be told about evidence and how scientists reached their conclusions, not whether scientists "believe" something or how many do or don't...
You observe gravity, yet Trader666 says there are ONLY theories about it.Quote from Lucrum:
I have and can repeatedly observe gravity. I haven't observed any inert space dust suddenly coming to life.
You are correct in principle, however, domestication falls under artificial selection. Dawkins discusses domestication in some detail in his latest book. In fact, her refers to an amazing study regarding the domestication of foxes, which are unrelated to dogs, since dogs evolved exclusively from wolves. In the study, foxes were (artificially) selected solely on "flight distance," meaning how close a person could approach the animal before it retreated. They bred only the ones that allowed human proximity. After a couple of dozen generations, the foxes started to change. They changed colors, to like those of dogs, their ears became floppy and their tails pointed upward and wagged, all very much unlike foxes and all as a result of nothing other than artificial selection on the basis of friendliness as measured by flight distance. Fascinating, eh? There are other studies, but this one really caught my eye.Quote from trendlover:
...If the goat with this defect have no humans to protect them then they can not survive. But humans protect them. This is natural selection. Humans select them to breed them. They are not wild.
You first. the unicorn and spaghetti monster parallel the sky daddy "hypothesis." They all hold the same amount of water. The only difference is that more people "believe" in one rather than the other. The only distinction is one of differential in faith. Otherwise, they all have about as much going for them empirically. So, yeah, do grow up.Quote from Lucrum:
...The ole unicorn and spaghetti monster "argument" eh? Grow up Gabby...