so, i suppose you are prepared to provide us with evidence that some invisible dude in the sky picked up a hand full of dirt and made man from it?
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Evolution debunked in 1 paragraph.
- Thread starter peilthetraveler
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Quote from jem:
I ask for a simple suggestion of evidence... show us that life evolved from non life... or even just provide a pathway of how it could have happened.
and look what the fake science clowns... provide...
nothing.
Prions... then viruses... then bacteria...
Somewhere in there the line was crossed.
nobel prize winner says no known plausible pathways for origin of life at this time.
http://www.scientificamerican.com/p...ak-and-09-10-05
Szostak: Absolutely! I mean what we're interested in is figuring out plausible pathways for the origin of life. It would be great to have even one complete plausible pathway, but what we find often is when we figure out how one little step might have worked, it gives us ideas, and then we end up with ultimately two or three or more different ways in which a particular step could have happened. So that makes us think the overall process might be more robust. So, you know, ultimately it would be nice, I think, if it turned out that there were multiple plausible pathways; then, of course, we might never know what really happened on the early Earth.
http://www.scientificamerican.com/p...ak-and-09-10-05
Szostak: Absolutely! I mean what we're interested in is figuring out plausible pathways for the origin of life. It would be great to have even one complete plausible pathway, but what we find often is when we figure out how one little step might have worked, it gives us ideas, and then we end up with ultimately two or three or more different ways in which a particular step could have happened. So that makes us think the overall process might be more robust. So, you know, ultimately it would be nice, I think, if it turned out that there were multiple plausible pathways; then, of course, we might never know what really happened on the early Earth.
Quote from Free Thinker:
so, i suppose you are prepared to provide us with evidence that some invisible dude in the sky picked up a hand full of dirt and made man from it?
The reason why this debate will go on forever is the fact that nobody alive was there to see the beginning actually happen.
Quote from Gabfly1:
Jem, you're just a creationist quote-miner, carefully omitting evolutionists' contextual explanations for the selected segments you quote. That's all you guys got. You guys even quote-mine Dawkins. Talk about irony. Do you even know you're embarrassing yourself?
an almost troll response by you. I present scientists and you present scientism and b.s.
why don't you explain the context. why don't you show us the evidence of evolution from non life to life.
Quote from jem:
I ask for a simple suggestion of evidence... show us that life evolved from non life... or even just provide a pathway of how it could have happened.
and look what the fake science clowns... provide...
nothing.
The human genome project? The concept of evolution, does not rely on origination.
Have you even read any of Darwins work?
Quote from stu:
As origin? Evolution is not about as origin. That's what's wrong with that.
It's true.
So Eight, do you consider it clever or maybe somehow spiritual to keep yourself ignorant of the facts for evolution?
I didn't miss much in science class. I'm a member of Mensa, I went to school all the time, I got good grades, I listened in class... I did my homework and all that good shit.. I worked as an Electrical Engineer...
People not on the religious side like to frame the debate as "science vs religion".. I'm saying that there is little science involved and cannot be. People that don't understand that opinions about origins are all speculation based on some assumptions are just half baked. In the case of the "science" side of the argument the speculation is backed up with what is really the trappings of science, not real science. Real scientific proof, as I pointed out in my first post, would have to be some observations by a competent observer of the event or somebody would have to create a universe and have his methods peer reviewed... Anybody with a working mind has to admit to the idea that his opinion with regard to origins is speculation... Trying to bring people to the point where they understand that is a lot of work since the debate for the argument is owned very muchly by the Universities and they are overwhelmingly not interested in learning that they have created a fantasyland and taught it to several generations.... they might lose their grant money, God forbid!!
Occam's razor is the idea that the conclusion that is based on the least assumptions is the better choice. The assumptions that "science" makes in speculation about origins are many, therefore their conclusions are a big yawner to me. I do like it when they present some data that I can mull over... People have to learn that there is data, there is information [somebody's interpretation of the data] and there is conclusion and opinion... to do one's own due diligence one needs to not mistake information for data because information is somebody's massaged version of the data. One should be aware of one's assumptions and one should go for the data itself whenever possible...
People just call us "anti science" and all sorts of things but clearly, I'm not confused or muddled in my thinking in this area. I like science. I believe in evolution for that matter, it's obvious that things evolve all over the place. They adapt to changes in their environment. That is called micro evolution and it's obvious and well documented... Macro evolution is the idea that species are formed by lots of micro evolution and I don't see any evidence for it.. just for one common example, people have bombarded fruit flies with radiation, poison, etc.. for generations [human generations, not fruit fly ones] and they have produced a lot of really messed up fruit flies but they have not produced a different specie for all that effort.. afaik there are very little if not absolutely no examples of a specie being produced anywhere at any time in human history...
Philosophy 101 will tell you that a good conclusion has to have two things: good assumptions and good logic. Universities have some weird things going on I'd say because I can take an argument that would get me an "F" in Philosophy 101, trot it down the hall to some "Earth Science" bullshit class and it will get me an "A"... In the Earth Science class I have to keep a straight face and say "we calibrate the strata by the geologic column and we calibrate the geologic column by the strata". That is circular reasoning, gets an "F" in Phil 101, but if I keep a straight face and talk some good bullshit it gets me an "A" in "Earth Science" and I can then go celebrate my "intellectual prowess" with my classmates..
I mean like, WTF? I'm supposed to apologize to you for being stupid or something? LOL
Quote from acronym:
The human genome project? The concept of evolution, does not rely on origination.
Have you even read any of Darwins work?
Ahhh, now that was an interesting development, that Genome thingy... up until that time "science" was telling us that humans originated in Africa and then after some fifty thousand years or whatever it was (numbers like that tend to change over time) the "new and improved model" appeared in Europe.. it makes sense that White scientists would come up with something that flattered their own kind and disproved the Biblical accounts... so they do the Genome Project, they find that the genetic differences between Africans and Whities is far and away not enough to support their story.. Meanwhile they don't have a new story that actually fits the science that doesn't validate the account in the Bible so they just don't seem to be saying much about it at all...
There is just no way to describe how it feels to live in a world with "experts" like that, it's really educational and inspirational.. no really.. I can hardly wait to see what they can teach me!