Every time Santorum opens

[rew]

Quote from Brass:

Ron Paul is no less extreme in his own way. No more EPA? No more Department of Education? No more cooperation with allies? No more regulation? No more IRS or income taxes? Really? You really want to go slumming Third World? Have at it.

First, let me say that I don't agree with Paul 100%. I will say these things in his defense:

1. He does not propose to eliminate the EPA, although he would cut its budget (and the budget of just about every other federal agency). The deficit is well in excess of one trillion dollars. Any attempt to restore fiscal sanity will require big cuts across the board, and that means everyone will have an ox that gets gored (including me). It is the unwillingness of the electorate to see their own pet programs cut that has resulted in the current fiscal disaster.

2. Paul does propose eliminating the Department of Education. Great. The Department of Education did not exist when I went to high school, and public schools were no worse then than they are now. We have squandered billions on an agency whose main purpose for existence is to provide employment for educrats. There is also the inconvenient fact that the Constitution has no provision for a federal role in education. (Although I realize that nobody but Ron Paul really cares about the Constitution anymore.)

3. Paul favors trade and diplomatic relations with all nations. By "cooperation with allies" you mean getting into their wars. To hell with that.

4. Paul does want to deregulate more than I would like. But congress will prevent him from getting everything he wants. He will be kept busy enough getting rid of the regulations that should be gotten rid of.

5. Even with Paul as president it is unlikely that spending will be cut enough to make it feasible to eliminate the IRS. So while Paul's heart is in the right place on that one, it's not going to happen.

It's curious that you believe that big government is what keeps us out of the third world. But leftists have weird ideas.

 

[rew]

Quote from Brass:

No, just voting for someone who doesn't have a chance in hell of winning.

It is because people keep voting for whichever candidate the mass media tells us can win that we keep getting the same old crap.

Ron Paul -- the candidate for people who don't want the same old crap.

 

[denner]

Quote from rew:

Extreme statements like that drive me right back to Ron Paul.

Every other candidate, including all the other Republicans, will give us massive deficits without end. And war without end. Santorum will just do these things with an extra dose of stupidity and intolerance compared to, say, Romney or Obama.

Indeed.

 

[budcampbell]

Quote from tradingjournals:

How could anyone like that person, and dislike his wars and policies? Have you thought about the millions of dead and orphan innocent children of Iraq, and their suffering?

People gave him a second mandate after it was known that the war was on the wing of lies, and I am amazed that there are still people who like him even after they saw the disaster in the economy.

If hell exists, and a just god really exists, I would not be surprised if W's supporters end up in the corner of hell reserved for evil people.

:eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:

 

[Lucrum]

Quote from rew:

It is because people keep voting for whichever candidate the mass media tells us can win that we keep getting the same old crap.

Ron Paul -- the candidate for people who don't want the same old crap.

You're wasting your time. 1) Horse's brASS wants the same old crap.
2) He's not even a voting US citizen.

 

[byteme]

Quote from Lucrum:

And sometimes you say too often, it gets old.

Just asking:

- Don't you think the whole nurse thing is a bit old?
- Don't you think the whole Canada thing is a bit old?
...

 

[cgroupman]

Quote from byteme:

Just asking:

- Don't you think the whole nurse thing is a bit old?
- Don't you think the whole Canada thing is a bit old?
...

I may have started this, and I realize that I'm sort of new in the P&R basement. Some seem to get along with me, and/or at least my thoughts on topics, some, of course, don't.

I just want to say that I have been having great conversations, discussions, debates, whatever you want to call what we do here, for many of my 'over 50' (more like 60) years. With friends, family, strangers in social circumstances, and even other web blogs.

My group ranges from extremely wealthy, over $100 mil types, top traders, entrepreneurs, business leaders, to other family members who are mechanics and sales people. We have ranted and raved, and been opinionated, and all the rest. But I can't recall ever having such a 'thing' about each other's job, home, all the personal stuff. I know it's called ad hominem attacks, I recall that from debating in college. An absolute no-no. It just weakens whatever real argument the other side may have.

I can see how easily one can make enemies here, and how quickly they can make friends, simply by 'drinking the same kook-aid' or at least 'appear' to do such.

Since we're all basically written words on a screen, can't we just read and respond without all the silliness? Probably not. And, yes, it is an interesting view into the human psyche.

But it does get old. And, I'm sure no one cares what I say, but someone brought up voting with their head and heart, and that's all I'm trying to do here.

OK, fire away.

edit: I agreed to stop the 'kumbaya' music, as did Mr. Pspr and L I think. And, I want to thank you guys for that.


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[Lucrum]

Quote from byteme:

Just asking:

- Don't you think the whole nurse thing is a bit old?

Possibly, about as old as the "air cabbie" and a "child can do your job" lies.

- Don't you think the whole Canada thing is a bit old?
...

Not really, given his incessant never ending obsession with our politics. I will concede I can see where a bleeding heart type might think it's getting old though.

 

[cgroupman]

Quote from Lucrum:

Possibly, about as old as the "air cabbie" and a "child can do your job" lies.
Not really, given his incessant never ending obsession with our politics. I will concede I can see where a bleeding heart type might think it's getting old though.

I agree, 'air cabbie' and all the child can fly thing is old too. You know I said I respected your profession, and I still do.

and, nobody 'has' to be the first to stop. Maybe just trying cooling it. I know my voice means little to you guys, but maybe a truce or something?

FWIW,

c

 

[RCG Trader]

Quote from cgroupman:

I agree, 'air cabbie' and all the child can fly thing is old too. You know I said I respected your profession, and I still do.

and, nobody 'has' to be the first to stop. Maybe just trying cooling it. I know my voice means little to you guys, but maybe a truce or something?

FWIW,

c

He won't, so I sting him with the truth. He has none nothing that defines him as a man. Aging does not make you a man. Getting a girl pregnant does not make you a man. The redneck has done nothing he can point to that requires any kind of barrier to entry. Except maybe go to a bar.