Every increasing debt, but the rich get richer....

[ratboy88]

Quote from ElCubano:

the economy grows because the consumer goes deeper in debt to keep up with the jonses in turn lining the pockets of the rich...I say if you cant buy it cash dont finance it unless it is a must have or it turns you a profit..My neighbor has it all fat cars, fat house, fat pool and makes less than me who doesnt have 1/4 of what he has....he uses refi like its an ATM..go figure...when his property gets hit for 20% in market value he will be upside down trying to swim in a pool full of sharks...

one of the few ET posters that gets it..

 

[Pabst]

Quote from ratboy88:

well... your class warfare arguments are non sense.... who cares right now... the tax money doesnt even go to pay for services... it is not covering the ability to service the debt. most of that money goes to the banks.... the fed reserve, by way of their collection agency the irs. its a nice little scam.

regarding the war, you were fairly loud mouthed in your support. would you like me to dig up some quotes?

Good enough?

Quote from Pabst:

09-25-02 11:42 PM

What makes you think that Hitler, Milosivich, and Saddam weren't justified? Hitler was saving Europe from communism at the same time that FDR was accepting money from every socalist he could find. Do you think the Iron Curtain was a better alternative?Milosovich was no different than Lincoln. Who the hell are the Islamic Bosnians to split off from Yugo. And Saddam runs a secular state that beat Iran,which we weren't willing to do, kills a bunch of animal extremist Kurds and with quasi US permission invades the KINGDOM of Kuwait, a country that we know liberaly supports terror. In a sane world all three of these guys should have been our allies.

 

[ratboy88]

Quote from Pabst:

Good enough?

i find this one more interesting....although there are multiple ones to choose from:

Quote from Pabst:

If Saddam's past behavior is no precursor in your book of future action then why are Blair and Bush's past decisions indicative of future results in any decision they make.

Why do you assume Islam to be a threat to Israel. Because you have a chart. I have one of Saddam. These chart's contain past precedents. They're merely tip sheets with odds. Right?

Here's the bottom line. The problems in Iraq, the miscalculations about WMD's, resistance, civil war, timetables ect. are NOISE.

Those variables are not germane to the objective. The reason for the invasion was simple. To remove Saddam from power. Period.

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I don't care about the short term fluctuations of occupying Iraq. On a macro basis it's unimportant. The money move may take decades to play and it'll be the eradication of every Islamo fascist regime in the region.

for this we shed american blood???????? please help me understand....i am so stupid. for this we balloon the deficit while cutting taxes for the elites? please tell me how this plays out and why it has your support.

 

[ratboy88]

honestly pabst, you are either a neocon yourself or your ego wont allow you to admit you bought the republican bullshit and you are wrong. the dem's vs republicans is a farce.... it is like the wwf. it is entertainment at best, a distraction from what is really going on.

ppl like you have been hoodwinked by scumbags like rush and hannity and you dont realize how much they have sold out to keep their ego positions. they are fodder for the neocon puppet masters. come on.... you still havent answered what happened to wtc7..... they use ppl like you... wake up please. we need you on our side.

 

[Pabst]

Quote from ratboy88:

i find this one more interesting....although there are multiple ones to choose from:




for this we shed american blood???????? please help me understand....i am so stupid. for this we balloon the deficit while cutting taxes for the elites? please tell me how this plays out and why it has your support.

"Cutting taxes for the elites". Please remind us all again and again ratboy about what a patriotic conservative you are. Can you find me ANYONE whose tax rate HAS NOT been cut under Bush. Elites? Hell close to 40% of American wage earners PAY NO TAXES. That's a pretty neat tax cut. Are you elite ratboy? Has YOUR tax bill gone down?


As far as Iraq:

I realized Saddam would have to go when he began dispensing $25,000 to Hamas as a dowry to the families of suicide bombers. The support of International terrorism was explicitly denied to Iraq in the U.N. resolutions detailing the terms of Iraq's surrender following the Gulf War.

Unfortunately Saddam began to wig out after the Gulf War. I would have enlisted Saddam to help take out Iran and Syria. I blame GHB way more than GWB for turning Saddam into a renegade. As far as Islam, I think one day they're going to kill every non-Muslim in the world. It's a death cult.

 

[ratboy88]

well... i got my answer... you are a NEOCON.

Quote from Pabst:

If I make a statement "We need to dispose of a regime that like the terrorists on 9/11 poses great danger to America" am I being UNDULY deceptive? Especially if I believe that

a. Iraq has WMD's

b. I believe a compromise to the safety of Israel could involve a vast PanArab-American war.

You know I'm not a hawk per se on Iraq. But I also recognize that Saddam had to go solely because of his funding terrorists. After all it's HE that lost a war and agreed to a U.N. resolution that explicitly denied him the privilege of involvement in International terrorism.

The administration knew that American's are too short sighted to understand why WE should help Israel. Me, I would have made the case on terror and sold it to the people. However WMD's seemed like a sure bet. Didn't work out that way and now the Admin is painted into a corner.

 

[ratboy88]

Quote from Pabst:

"Cutting taxes for the elites". Please remind us all again and again ratboy about what a patriotic conservative you are. Can you find me ANYONE whose tax rate HAS NOT been cut under Bush. Elites? Hell close to 40% of American wage earners PAY NO TAXES. That's a pretty neat tax cut. Are you elite ratboy? Has YOUR tax bill gone down?

actually i am very conservative and the taxes i was referring to when i mentioned "elite" are more in tune with corporate subsidies which favor outsourcing our labor forces. personally i think we should get rid of the whole tax system starting with the irs right now. there.. are you happy??? but i also think that starting criminal wars for false reasons and then ballooning the debt to fund this criminal war is high treason. these criminal wars do cost money you know????? and when you realize they were started for other reasons than the ones stated... now we are talking treason.

now regarding saddam funding these bombers families.... are you now claiming this as a legitmate reason for us to kill our own???? are you this fucking crazy? you are the biggest sell out on here or either you are the stupidest.