Every increasing debt, but the rich get richer....

[Pabst]

Quote from ElCubano:

the economy grows because the consumer goes deeper in debt to keep up with the jonses in turn lining the pockets of the rich...I say if you cant buy it cash dont finance it unless it is a must have or it turns you a profit..My neighbor has it all fat cars, fat house, fat pool and makes less than me who doesnt have 1/4 of what he has....he uses refi like its an ATM..go figure...when his property gets hit for 20% in market value he will be upside down trying to swim in a pool full of sharks...

Wouldn't you like your taxes to increase so you can subsidize your neighbors lifestyle?

 

[ZZZzzzzzzz]

Nice of you to admit you were a sure loozer.

Quote from Pabst:

I was one of a handful of Republicans running nationally in "suicide races" to recieve funding from Hastert.....


Do you think that Democrats running for Congress in sure loss races get money from the DNC. Not a chance. The money goes only to "targeted races."

 

[ratboy88]

Quote from Pabst:

Is the economy better or worse since the Clinton tax hikes were rolled back? Is U.S. household income higher since 2001? Are equity and housing markets more robust? Have three million jobs been created since the taxcuts took effect?

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how can pabst be so off??? and btw.. i am a conservative also, but i couldnt disagree more with this boob. bush has increased the national debt more than any other administration EVER !!!!!! we keep raising the ceiling............ and all pabst can argue are old class warfare platitudes. I AM CONSERVATIVE.... pabst..you are out of touch.

i told you your guy was wrong about the war... who was right? I WAS !!!!!!!!! you know bush is a puppet for his neocon masters. you know running up massive debt is a failure waiting to happen. what we are experiencing now in the commodity markets is a direct consequence of this monetary fiasco. hell... they just pulled the requirment to report M3 levels in march.... gosh, i wonder why? you think they are going to inflate their way out of this mess? if they do... it will domino into other area's. we are losing our middle class and that my friend is the strength of this country... not the elites that own the multi nationals.

 

[Pabst]

I never implied otherwise. Just because someone holds a "safe seat" doesn't mean they shouldn't face vigorous opposition. Given that I take a few dozen losses each day, losing a political campaign is no big deal.

Quote from ZZZzzzzzzz:

Nice of you to admit you were a sure loozer.

 

[Pabst]

Ratboy you're truly missing my point. Who's advocating deficits? If it was up to me Federal spending would be a fraction of what it is now. Also I was certainly not a hawk at the onset of Iraq. I'd lose entire cabinet positions. Commerece, agriculture, education, should be ELIMINATED at the Washington level. But if you're going to tell me that the salesman or realtor who enjoys a random once in a lifetime 300k year should pay an extra 30k to the Feds, leave me behind.

Quote from ratboy88:

how can pabst be so off??? and btw.. i am a conservative also, but i couldnt disagree more with this boob. bush has increased the national debt more than any other administration EVER !!!!!! we keep raising the ceiling............ and all pabst can argue are old class warfare platitudes. I AM CONSERVATIVE.... pabst..you are out of touch.

i told you your guy was wrong about the war... who was right? I WAS !!!!!!!!! you know bush is a puppet for his neocon masters. you know running up massive debt is a failure waiting to happen. what we are experiencing now in the commodity markets is a direct consequence of this monetary fiasco. hell... they just pulled the requirment to report M3 levels in march.... gosh, i wonder why? you think they are going to inflate their way out of this mess? if they do... it will domino into other area's. we are losing our middle class and that my friend is the strength of this country... not the elites that own the multi nationals.

 

[dddooo]

Quote from ElCubano:

the economy grows because the consumer goes deeper in debt to keep up with the jonses in turn lining the pockets of the rich...

Well, that's one side of it and it has existed as long as humans have. The other side of good/growing economy is growing incomes, salaries, raises, bonuses. That part has been missing for 80% of americans since 2001. (according to Greenspan)

It's about time for the supply-side trickle down economics supporters to realize that during this economic cycle the trickling down did not take place.

 

[ratboy88]

Quote from Pabst:

Ratboy you're truly missing my point. Who's advocating deficits? If it was up to me Federal spending would be a fraction of what it is now. Also I was certainly not a hawk at the onset of Iraq. I'd lose entire cabinet positions. Commerece, agriculture, education, should be ELIMINATED at the Washington level. But if you're going to tell me that the salesman or realtor who enjoys a random once in a lifetime 300k year should pay an extra 30k to the Feds, leave me behind.

well... your class warfare arguments are non sense.... who cares right now... the tax money doesnt even go to pay for services... it is not covering the ability to service the debt. most of that money goes to the banks.... the fed reserve, by way of their collection agency the irs. its a nice little scam.

regarding the war, you were fairly loud mouthed in your support. would you like me to dig up some quotes?

 

[fan27]

Quote from ZZZzzzzzzz:

We have a class system, that Roosevelt fought with his new deal, which created a prosperous middle class.

capitalism and hard working Americans created the middle class. FDR didn't have shit to do with it.

fan27

 

[ZZZzzzzzzz]

Complete BS.

Americans have always been hard working.....

Quote from fan27:

capitalism and hard working Americans created the middle class. FDR didn't have shit to do with it.

fan27

 

[Pabst]

Quote from ratboy88:

well... your class warfare arguments are non sense.... who cares right now... the tax money doesnt even go to pay for services... it is not covering the ability to service the debt. most of that money goes to the banks.... the fed reserve, by way of their collection agency the irs. its a nice little scam.

regarding the war, you were fairly loud mouthed in your support. would you like me to dig up some quotes?

Good enough?

Quote from Pabst:

What makes you think that Hitler, Milosivich, and Saddam weren't justified? Hitler was saving Europe from communism at the same time that FDR was accepting money from every socalist he could find. Do you think the Iron Curtain was a better alternative?Milosovich was no different than Lincoln. Who the hell are the Islamic Bosnians to split off from Yugo. And Saddam runs a secular state that beat Iran,which we weren't willing to do, kills a bunch of animal extremist Kurds and with quasi US permission invades the KINGDOM of Kuwait, a country that we know liberaly supports terror. In a sane world all three of these guys should have been our allies.