Ever had a supernatural experience?

And of course you must zoom in on the most outrageous
explanation when many other more believable explanations exist :D

Learn to apply Occams razor and stop introducing unrequired
third entities which you pull out of the blue.


peace

axeman


Quote from ShoeshineBoy:

Here's another example: I have a female relative who was a jr. high teacher and chaparoned a group of jr. high girls to another city on an educational trip.

They had been talking too much and so she went into their hotel room to make sure they were actually not talking and trying to sleep.

One girl was asleep but one girl was awake with her eyes glazed open. The relative felt a "chill" and the girl growled at my wife, "I know who you are. You are the church lady."

Yes, it sounds like an old SNL skit. And, yes, it's possible the girl was dreaming. But this girl was heavily involved with the New Age and so the alternative is possible as well...
 
Most likely, the difference is in perceptions, not in reality.

In the same position as these people, I bet nothing "weird" would
have happened to me.

Which also explains why nothing "weird' has ever happened to me.


Funny how I seem to have this magical power that prevents
all supernatural phenomenon from occurring anywhere near me :D


peace

axeman



Quote from Gordon Gekko:

as shocking as it may be, a supernatural event hasn't happened to anyone in this thread, nor anyone they know.
 
Quote from axeman:

Im not calling anyone a liar or self deceived.
All im saying is that you cannot expect anyone to believe
such stories on their word alone.

...........

Dude.... doesnt even come close to being a believable explanation.
Apply occams razor and the majority of this stuff just goes
out the window.

peace

axeman

But you're still missing the point. Why can't you let people share what they think are legitimate supernatural experiences? They might be right. They might not.

Let every body get it out in teh open and let us all judge for ourselves instead of the sideline commentary. Don't you think the good readers of e.t. can analyze things for themselves?
 
Quote from axeman:

As for the sick child.... you spoke to some other rabbi,
he asked for the mothers name...blah blah...
and the kid got better.

Your seriously gonna make that huge leap and credit him with that?

1. "Blah Blah". Very intellectual, very scientific.

2. "huge leap"???:eek: Wow, Axe, now you've really convinced me that you have no intellectual honesty. Hmm, let's see. Kid's sick for a year. Been in the hospital for a while, doctors have no cure. go to the Rabbi, next day the kid's fine. Doctors have no explanation. Huge leap. Yeah, really huge, lol.

Just for you, Axe, another story: my father went to a Rabbi who proceeded to tell him about something that happened to my father 40 years ago, which my father just happened to never have told a soul. My father had never seen this Rabbi before. Care to explain that :)?
 
Im not preventing anyone from posting their experiences.

peace

axeman


Quote from ShoeshineBoy:

But you're still missing the point. Why can't you let people share what they think are legitimate supernatural experiences? They might be right. They might not.

Let every body get it out in teh open and let us all judge for ourselves instead of the sideline commentary. Don't you think the good readers of e.t. can analyze things for themselves?
 
Quote from axeman:

Most likely, the difference is in perceptions, not in reality.

In the same position as these people, I bet nothing "weird" would
have happened to me.

Which also explains why nothing "weird' has ever happened to me.



And, why must we consider that the "outrageous" explanation is always false? It's only outrageous to the diehard Darwinist oftentimes.

Let me give an example. On 3/13/97 the famous "Phoenix Lights Incident" occurred in my home city here. As you may know, it was witnessed by 100's of Phoenicians. One of the onlookers was a local neurosurgeon named Dr. Lynne Kitei.

Out of fear of attack from people like yourself I am sure and fear for her practice, she remained underground about what she saw until recently when she had her story published in the April issue of Phoenix magazine. Her husband is a prominent Phoenix physician and saw them as well as did many others around the Valley.

These came by relatively close to her balcony - she lives in the elite part of town and if you read her story you would definitely not believe that she saw "military flares or balloons".

Now could the good doctor have been smoking peyote? Possibly. But why doubt her immediately?

(And, for the record, I don't believe UFO's visited Phoenix - I believe it was probably a spiritual phenomenon.)
 
1. "Blah Blah". Very intellectual, very scientific.

A very rational and mature response.


2. "huge leap"???:eek: Wow, Axe, now you've really convinced me that you have no intellectual honesty. Hmm, let's see. Kid's sick for a year. Been in the hospital for a while, doctors have no cure. go to the Rabbi, next day the kid's fine. Doctors have no explanation. Huge leap. Yeah, really huge, lol.

Now you have really convinced me you havent the faintest
understanding of basic statistics and are simply
arguing from ignorance. Please go ask a PHD statistician
if this means anything at all :D


Just for you, Axe, another story: my father went to a Rabbi who proceeded to tell him about something that happened to my father 40 years ago, which my father just happened to never have told a soul. My father had never seen this Rabbi before. Care to explain that :)?

Hearsay. Im not required to explain anything.
If you are asserting there is something supernatural
involved, then the burden of proof is on you to prove it.

Even better.... contact this Rabbi and have him immediately
contact the Amazing Randi at Randi.org. He should be able
to easily prove clairvoyant ability and collect the ONE MILLION
dollar cash prize which im SURE he would have lots of
wonderful uses for, like helping people.

Easy money right? :D
Lets hear the excuses now :D

peace

axeman
 
Quote from axeman:

Im not preventing anyone from posting their experiences.

peace

axeman

Yes, you are. If anyone posts an experience, you're all over it with peanut gallery comments about it's probable falsity and the writer's obvious self-deception. Then comes the Amazing Randi...

Again, what is the point? Nobody is preaching on here. Nobody is trying to convert anyone else.

Can't you save the comments for another thread?
 
See Shoe.... here you show your true colors.
You SHOULD consider ALL explanations as possibly being false.
Thats how critical thinkers and scientists work.

The phoenix lights are just yet another story.
And again... I point out that you immediately jump
to a "spiritual explanation" when we have not even
yet begun to examine the natural explanation.

To make an extreme example:

Today I observed a rock break loose from a canyon wall
and tumble down. Which of the following hypothesis's
makes more sense:

1) Slow erosion over time and the effects of gravity causes
the rock to break loose and tumble down the canyon.

2) An alien space craft was orbiting earth and the aliens wanted
to play a prank on me so they hit the rock with their invisible
tractor beam causing it to break free and roll down the canyon wall.


Hypothesis #2 is the type you lean towards first.
Hypothesis #1 is the type I lean towards first.

The fact is... you are WRONG to choose the extraordinary
hypothesis FIRST without first exploring the more obvious
explanation which also does not contradict our known
knowledge of the universe.

Your "spiritual explanation" for the lights is a #2 style hypothesis.
Simply way out there when more probable explanations exist.


Kinda like the crop circle guys who swore they were alien created.
Then, lo and behold!!! A bunch of dudes ADMIT it was all a hoax
and have a detailed photographic record of their art work
over the decades. :D


peace

axeman


Quote from ShoeshineBoy:

And, why must we consider that the "outrageeous" explanation is false. It's only outrageous to diehard Darwinist oftentimes.

Let me give an example. On 3/13/97 the famous "phoenix Lights incident" occurred in my home city here. As you may know, it was witnessed by 100's of Phoenixians. One of the onlookers was a local neurosurgeon name Dr. Lynne Kitei.

Out of fear of attack from people like yourself I am sure and fear for her practice, she remained underground about what she saw until recently when she had her story pulished in the a[pril issue of Phoenix magazine. Her husband is a prominent Phoenix physician and saw them a s well as did many others around the Valley.

These came by relatively close to her balcony - she lives in the luxurious part of town.
Now could the good doctor have been smoking peyote? Possibly. But why doubt her immediately?

And, for the record, I don't believe UFO's visited Phoenix - I believe it was probably a spiritual phenomenon...
 
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