Even the Pope sides with Futurecurrents

[piezoe]

I have no idea what you are trying to say. I have already pointed out that in many living systems, going from 280 ppm to 380 ppm would kill you twice as fast, regardless of some trivial percent change equation. In the case of the earth, that sustained ppm difference in greenhouse gases in the atmosphere could mean a tiny 1 degree Celcius increase in MGT (Mean Global Temperature). Enough to completely change the repercussions that already under way: the landscape of the entire earth, extinctions, health issues to all living creatures in the food chain, etc. What is much worse, it puts us dangerously close if not on a path to runaway irreversible increases well beyond that 1 degree Celcius.

So your argument is that the earth will reach critical irreversible MGTs with catastrophic effects in 200 years instead of 100?

Thank you for asking, My opinion is that we don't have a very reliable estimate of what our local climates will be like in 100 years and much less knowledge of what they will be like 200 years from now. Extrapolating poorly understood systems far into the future is a risky business.

A reasonable, but not a safe, bet would be to look two hundred years back into the past, then look at today, compare climates, and assume that the variability we saw in the past 200 years will be similar to the variability we will see in the next two-hundred.

 

[futurecurrents]

Thank you for asking, My opinion is that we don't have a very reliable estimate of what our local climates will be like in 100 years and much less knowledge of what they will be like 200 years from now. Extrapolating poorly understood systems far into the future is a risky business.

A reasonable, but not a safe bet, bet would be to look two hundred years back into the past, then look at today, compare climates, and assume that the variability we saw in the past 200 years will be similar to the variability we will see in the next two-hundred.

Good idea. Let's look back at the last two hundred years.

 

[piezoe]

Futurecurrents, soon this may all be a mute point. Scroll to the bottom. These guys will have to go back to debating whether the Earth is flat and that the Sun goes around the Earth and house arresting Galileo:

Star Is Born
Inside the Quest for Fusion, Clean Energy’s Holy Grail

http://www.elitetrader.com/et/index...-want-you-to-get-your-own-power.292256/page-4

Is any one here old enough to remember when power from nuclear generating stations would be so cheap it would be free? I am.

We have one of these outfits in a barn in Lucedale Mississippi. The inventor was refused a patent, but one of our more brilliant Mississippi congressman went to bat for the guy, seeing as how he was going to save the world with his invention. The patent office still refused his patent. I remember it well. It had light bulbs all around its perimeter that glowed when the device was activated. It had to be activated, just like that california version, by plugging it in. The inventor was working on a way to plug it into itself, since, according to the inventor it generated far more power than it consumed, but hadn't quite got that worked out last time I checked. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newman's_energy_machine

 

[piezoe]

Good idea. Let's look back at the last two hundred years.

Hey there. Got one of those kool plots for the Southern Hemisphere. (My favorite data is the tree ring data by the way.) I especially like the way we have continued to cool after the little ice age!!! That's really KOOL! Next time I go to London I'm taking my hockey skates!

 

[futurecurrents]

Hey there. Got one of those kool plots for the Southern Hemisphere. (My favorite data is the tree ring data by the way.) I especially like the way we have continued to cool after the little ice age!!! That's really KOOL! Next time I go to London I'm taking my hockey skates!

The Northern Hem data is enough to see what's happening. Of course you know that there does not exist a similar SH data set due to a lack of stations there in the past. Or maybe you don't know. Probably not. It seems there is lot of things that you don't know. Like potency isn't dependent on absolute quantities and satellite data is not as accurate , stuff like that.

Have you disproven that CO2 is an important greenhouse gas yet? Maybe you and Stoic should get your heads together on it. lol

And while you're at it, talk to We Did Tod Too about how Antarctica is gaining mass as the world warms. How could it sill be snowing down there?

 

[gwb-trading]

The Northern Hem data is enough to see what's happening. Of course you know that there does not exist a similar SH data set due to a lack of stations there in the past. Or maybe you don't know. Probably not. It seems there is lot of things that you don't know. Like potency isn't dependent on absolute quantities and satellite data is not as accurate , stuff like that.

Have you disproven that CO2 is an important greenhouse gas yet? Maybe you and Stoic should get your heads together on it. lol

And while you're at it, talk to We Did Tod Too about how Antarctica is gaining mass as the world warms. How could it sill be snowing down there?

FC is still living in his fantasy world.

Every week more data comes out crumbling his assertions yet he persists in his delusions.

 

[WeToddDid2]

The Northern Hem data is enough to see what's happening. Of course you know that there does not exist a similar SH data set due to a lack of stations there in the past. Or maybe you don't know. Probably not. It seems there is lot of things that you don't know. Like potency isn't dependent on absolute quantities and satellite data is not as accurate , stuff like that.

Have you disproven that CO2 is an important greenhouse gas yet? Maybe you and Stoic should get your heads together on it. lol

And while you're at it, talk to We Did Tod Too about how Antarctica is gaining mass as the world warms. How could it sill be snowing down there?

Hey Fraud,

You need to inform John Cook that his site needs to be updated. Number 10 below is a FACT NOT A MYTH.

Also, please inform John Cook that Steven Goddard and other various climate skeptics have been correct regarding Antarctica the whole time and that it is John Cook's site that it putting forth the myths and disinformation.

 

[futurecurrents]

Hey Fraud,

You need to inform John Cook that his site needs to be updated. Number 10 below is a FACT NOT A MYTH.

Also, please inform John Cook that Steven Goddard and other various climate skeptics have been correct regarding Antarctica the whole time and that it is John Cook's site that it putting forth the myths and disinformation.

Well of course the jury is still out and this latest news is so recent that many sites haven't had time to either check this recent story or change their site because of it. But you don't care about that, only about "scoring points" like the moron you are..

And you DO realize this in no way shape or form shows that the earth is not rapidly warming.

Look who I am asking.

 

[gwb-trading]

Well of course the jury is still out and this latest news is so recent that many sites haven't had time to either check this recent story or change their site because of it. But you don't care about that, only about "scoring points" like the moron you are..

And you DO realize this in no way shape or form shows that the earth is not rapidly warming.

Look who I am asking.

But, of course, you ignore all the raw temperature data which shows the earth is not rapidly warming.

 

[jem]

you are grafting thermometer records onto proxy records.. why? doesn't that seem a bit crooked?

if you kept the tree ring data on there... what happens?

Oh...

the proxy record is still flat as road kill when you don't hand select trees like briffa did for the hockey stick type data...

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/09/...mperature-data-this-data-is-flat-as-roadkill/

Good idea. Let's look back at the last two hundred years.