Quote from jcrecruit:
Friend I would challenge your science any day of the week. But I have found all atheists, which is a religion by the way, incapable of providing complimentary evidence in support of their self-asserted cause. Go ahead give me the missing science which you folks have propagated since the beginning of time. No friend it boils down to rebellion, and thinking yourselves "as god". What... next your going to tell me about the goodness of man, and how great a humanitarian you are...right? Must explain all the starving people in the world, and wars, and divorces, and crime, etc. There's your evolution theory for you ...man evolving to his ultimate destruction. Oh I know you are going to tell me how much better the world is by not holding to the simple tenets of the TEN commandments...sure I can see it...plainly all around me. Friend you are living in an allusion created by like-minded individuals as yourself. You blame God and religion for the problems in your life and the world . I agree MANMADE religion is definitely an excuse for the problems...but that's man's definition. Man's inherent evil nature simply uses what ever resources he has to propagate his own agenda...sure why not use religion. They all attempt to lift themselves above God's mandate. They are above the law, or so they think. If you really examine the truths of revealed scripture, which are central to the thought of "do unto your neighbor , as you would have them do unto yourself.", you will find that it not only unveils the mind of God but also reveals the truth of man's nature. My own included of course...for I am not exempt of sinful behaviour, but by the grace of God I am freed of its inherent bondage and I do not revel in it...it does not occupy my life in other words. For instance my mind is not constantly filled with the perversion of sexual sins. Can you say the same friend? or perhaps it is shackles of some other sin. Perhaps you are a habitual liar....have any fish tales? Your evolutionary thought is a lie..but perhaps it is simply ignorance. I will give you the benefit of the doubt on that one. But you will still be responsible before God for proglamating such a lie. Best get your facts straight. I am certain something holds you..some dark secret sin. Only the Lord Jesus Christ can release you from it...permanently if you desire it. But sin is fun is it not...yes for a season, but the end thereof is death. And any clinical psychologist will tell you about man's obsession with sexaul sin. And the content of the internet confirms it. Bob Dylan wrote a song "You got serve somebody.." Who do you serve friend? Yourself? No I stopped lieing to myself a long time ago. It was after reading this I was honest with myself, and God then unveiled the truth of His word..Romans1 says,"Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain(stupid) in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.
Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, and changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things. Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies betwen themsleves: Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature(man or a rock) more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever, Amen...and vs 28 reads, "And even as they did not like to retain god in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient; being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers, backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful; Who knowing the judgement of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them." There is man's nature..unregenerated without Christ....without hope...lost to an eternity separated from God!!
Scripture's definition of religion is this, and to love the Lord your God with all your heart and mind." Tell me what is wrong with this type of thinking."... to help the fatherless and the widows..this is pure and undefiled religion." Surely man hasn't written these laws..hasn't he? NO it isn't his nature. Sure you can do it once in a while..big deal..we aren't perfect. Agape type love we do not have. Your nice alright, provided no one steps on your toes...it is conditional. Press the right buttons and we will see what you are made of. You want reality...have you experienced war or faced starvation...!!
Further to this discussion, and that is all it is ..I am NOT calling you out friend., just challenging your line of thought and it gets me hot...for I can not let it alone, to think millions will perish in a lost eternity without the Christ..it is true madness. As far as your observations are concerned relating to the obscured references of scripture in various versions..you are correct they do differ. I have many versions, including the original Greek and Hebrew text. And I am quite aware of the Westcott-Hort text and their version changes. And I am in agreement with Mr. Baker's compilation of scripture references. There are far more than this! What do you expect from man's meddling with the Word of God. These men were apostate and not believers...why would you be surprised in the changes! And yet even with all the changes the revelation of the Lord Jesus Christ is still intact. God's law and His Word cannot be denied even with these so-called abridged versions. Would you like to go thru the Greek and Hebrew manuscripts ...they are the originals? They are more closely in-line with the KJV...which is a far closer translation...but still a translation. I made reference to this version only to say it is the most complete of the versions, but the old king's english is sometimes difficult to interpret for some...especially the younger children. I am glad you brought our attention to this page of reference, for it again reaffirms to me where man is, surely there be trouble. The dead sea scrolls amongst other text that were painstakingly handwritten over a period of 1500 years by some 66 authors living in various parts of the Middle East only proves to authenticate the revelation of the Messiah, which is revealed throughout scripture from Genesis to Revelation. Yes not only this book but some 30,000 pages of scrip. I am afraid you error friend in not knowing the truth,"My people perish for lack of knowledge." But it all ultimately boils down to one thing...will you bend the knee to all mighty God....repent of your sin. For it is only a broken and contrite spirit that can come to God. Maybe a day or two in a fox hole might change your attitude, or perhaps jumping out of plane with a malfunctioned chute might help. Guess what your first words are then, "OH GOD help me!" How convenient..just like a genie in a bottle. Be assured God is not mocked. Psalm 14:1 declares, "The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God..."
proving what is acceptable unto the Lord. And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them." II Timothy 3 "This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come. For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good, traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God; having a form of godliness (good deeds), but denying the power thereof: from such turn away(why? because they are counterfeit...that is you friend) "For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts, ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth." II Peter2 "for when they speak great swelling words of vanity, they allure through the lusts of the flesh, through much wantonness, those that were clean escaped from them who live in error. While they promise them liberty, they themselves are the servants of corruption: for of whom a man is overcome, of the same is he brought in bondage.