Quote from yiehom:
Thanks mate, I will try and wake up them as I read along .
I thought the years since 2008 have been very bullish in the rates instruments?
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Quote from suntzu:
Acidjazz,
You're absolutely right about flies being less risky. And commission costs have come down a fair bit.
Problem is that flies take up quite a lot of margin. Sometimes it takes weeks maybe months to see a profit, that is if there's any profit. I'm just trying to figure out a more fluid and less capital intensive way of trading, s'all.
I trade my own capital. I've been in situations where I see potentially better trading opportunities elsewhere, but cos my margin is tied up in a ED butterfly, I've had to forego it.
I'd like to start trading outrights again cos it was great trading 'em when I was in the Simex pit. We had all those little non-verbal cues like order fillers body language and pit sentiment which totally helped us to decide whether it was going to be bullish or bearish for the day. I'm not saying it was always hunky dory but at least there was another potential source of trading profit. Well those physical cues are all gone now in Globex and its really much harder scalping outright EDs in Globex. That's why I'd like to hear from any outright Globex ED traders how they do it.
I'd be grateful for any pointers.
Cheers.
Quote from dunleggin:
I must confess my ignorance of the spreads, flies, butterflies and the like. Please fill free to point me to any source of education in those fields.
So far I am just attracted by the lower volatility of ED and the way it can be technically traded
Yes, undeniably. For those position trading on a longish timeframe, or with a curve trade covering a wide span of the term structure they've probably done well.
My remark was really shaped by the recollection that a majority of us in this thread back then were trading the typical calendar spreads, or midcurve option spreads, etc. If you look at weekly movements in, say, a 6-mth calendar in recent times compared with the patterns and range prevailing 6 or 7 years ago, you can see how attractive a trading vehicle it was then.
Quote from cvds16:
Don't know about ED ... but knowing from other instruments ... EOD is about the worst time to play any market that I know ...

Quote from dunleggin:
The classic reference source on EDs is Galen Burghardt's tome, 'Eurodollar Futures & Options Handbook', which is exhaustive in terms of explaining the instruments and their characteristics but almost certainly not what you're looking for as a trading intro.
More up your street would be Stephen Aikin's 'Trading STIR Futures'. It's an excellent, comprehensive and (mostly) approachable work written by someone who prop traded the STIRS successfully. Be warned that the core trading strategies are less viable these days (or worse, according to some who've posted elsewhere in this forum), and though he covers the basic TA techniques he clearly doesn't use them much.
To extract profits from trading the ED until Fed rate expectations begin to shift you'll likely need a more sophisticated approach than traditional TA.
Quote from dunleggin:
The classic reference source on EDs is Galen Burghardt's tome, 'Eurodollar Futures & Options Handbook', which is exhaustive in terms of explaining the instruments and their characteristics but almost certainly not what you're looking for as a trading intro.
More up your street would be Stephen Aikin's 'Trading STIR Futures'. It's an excellent, comprehensive and (mostly) approachable work written by someone who prop traded the STIRS successfully. Be warned that the core trading strategies are less viable these days (or worse, according to some who've posted elsewhere in this forum), and though he covers the basic TA techniques he clearly doesn't use them much.
To extract profits from trading the ED until Fed rate expectations begin to shift you'll likely need a more sophisticated approach than traditional TA.
Quote from Zaran:
what exactly you trade when you trade the EuroDollar futures ?
any correlation with the Euro FX currency future ?