Eurex And Liffe Fixed Income Futures Volumes Plunges Again

Yes, if there's range then there's cash to be made.

Ok, if you're 500 or 1000 up maybe it's a struggle (I'm guessing here) but if 50-100 up with E10 a tick then that's some good cash with or without last year's volume.

When the bund range starts averaging 15 ticks then you have a problem......
 
Quote from Kicking:

what do you think is the reason for this collapse of volume? Bonds had the mother of all rally in the past month !
This should be a great market for bond futures traders.
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did you see the DOM on ZB and how it moves? do you like an ultra long fixed income contract that shows a liquidity of YM and eats 10 ticks with a couple of hundred of lots in 15 seconds?...
 
i was just stressing how much money there is to be made in these markets im now driving around in a lambo on the back of the volatility ..if any of you boys houses are up for sale im in the market for lifting them ..no council houses
 
Quote from theeurexcleaner:

Beaker

speand less time whining and touching little boys and more time trading and the volumes may go up and you might make some money
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you must have spent all of a minute thinking that up.

the wankers forums are on a different website.

traders on here are discussing the volume decrease.

if you do not have anything constructive to say then dont.

note: interesting you mentioned something about little boys.

something from your childhood perhaps
 
It's so disappointing when you are having a decent discussion and a right mug sticks his oar in with a load of bollocks.

If this had happened 10 yrs ago this cunt would have been told to fuck off very quickly by everybody.

What these bell ends will never get is the vast difference between being flash/lairy and being a wanker.

Another example of a cock with a pc.
 
Quote from Kicking:

what do you think is the reason for this collapse of volume? Bonds had the mother of all rally in the past month !
This should be a great market for bond futures traders.
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The big boys arent there. ie banks and bigger natural users of the fixed income markets for a hedge. The large prop desks don't have the type of leverage they once had and most have been put on hold/restructured/dismembered over the past couple months at least in the midst of the bailout crisis.

Many of the algos were turned off during the worst of it as the huge increase in volatility can run them over. Similarly, locals simply havent been able to trade the size they are accustomed to due the lack of liquidity and/or the crazy volatility. The way I see it, the above is the main reason for the lack of volume, not because a particular market has "lost it's luster" or practical use.

Fixed income products are naturally low in volume because of the lack of lending and credit. If Libor has no relevance the Eurodollar has lost it's practicality. Same thing with treasuries. Once the fed raises rates liquidity should come back.
 
Quote from TsunTzu:

Perhaps you missed what this thread is about. We are discussing FIXED INCOME PRODUCTS. However I note your first post you did start with an apology. Ignorance can be such a burden, but please don’t feel the need to apologise; we can make allowances for you.
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Eurodollar is a fixed income product.
 
Quote from BuyHiSellLo:

The pit was not only good for locals,paper with quality traders were able to get it's business done in a proper way at all times,everyone seemed to co-exist quite happily for a long time,traders in general don't seem so happy now.

As a former pit local/broker i'm not fussed particularly about returning to open outcry but don't like the way the business has gone.Somehow we manged to grow the volumes over significant events,'87 crash,'98 Asian crisis plus many more yet now we are collapsing,this is due to algo trading,poor mangement and lack of human trading input.

Electronic trading has opened doors to many,many cocks that is who hide behind a pc behaving in a way that would not have been tolerated in the past.

I don't think Eurex or CME will go under anytime soon,their share price will hose along with the value of the seats but am curious why you didn't mention LIFFE?
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But it was. Pit was a license to print money, though obviously not for all locals.

A lot of traders who used to trade in pits really hate electronic trading because it leveled them with general public and many of their edges are gone.

The volumes in current environment would be down even of no electronic trading even existed.
 
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