eSignal 8.0, 8.1 & QCharts

eSignal is due out NEXT FRIDAY....... nice considering it was supposed to come out a few weeks ago.

Nice job eSignal, we love hearing the stuff you feed us.

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"Sounds like that's why they keep winning awards to me. "

*Cough..... pay for the awards*

And who cares about awards.... where is the competition who competes against eSignal to try and win some awards of their own?
 
Quote from davez:

Agreed generally that eSignal data feed is ok, except for one In other words, what would I miss in eSignal if I switched to TradeStation?

davez
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nothing imo :)
 
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nothing imo :)
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Like so many others have mentioned, I've spent many, many hours developing eSignal layouts and efs's, so I am very reluctant to scrap all that to start with TradeStation. Perhaps I'd go thru the learning curve with TradeStation, only to find a dozen features I use and like in eSignal that TradeStation does not have. It would be nice to know that in advance.

Chuck, can you tell me what eSignal can do that TradeStation can not....specifically, for US equity traders? All the eSignal improvements recently and in the next releases are for futures, options and foreign markets traders..... almost nothing for US stock traders.

davez
 
Quote from JMowery1987:

eSignal is due out NEXT FRIDAY....... nice considering it was supposed to come out a few weeks ago.

Nice job eSignal, we love hearing the stuff you feed us.

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"Sounds like that's why they keep winning awards to me. "

*Cough..... pay for the awards*

And who cares about awards.... where is the competition who competes against eSignal to try and win some awards of their own?
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Quote from JMowery1987:

...It all sucks, it just ticks me off with a passion, I'd do anything to prevent them from getting new customers...
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I truly hope your not an eSignal subscriber.

If you are...it truly does not make sense why you would continue bashing and paying for a service your extremely unhappy about.

Simply, for your own personal well being and to prevent letting a vendor cause you trading problems that can cost you more losses than your monthly service fee or missed profitable opportunities...

One of the first ways to properly bash someone is via your wallet by not giving them any more of your money.

Its time for you to direct your energies in a more positive way via moving beyond those causing such a negative reaction because such can't be good for your trading.

My point...we are consumers and if a vendor consistently disappoints you and you have to go to a public forum and do what you do...

Talk with your wallet.

Do you have a backup data vendor for those trading days your primary vendor is not perfect.

However, if eSignal is no longer your data provider...

I'm curious who is your current data provider???

By the way, I used eSignal once many years ago for one month and wasn't happy with their service.

Before they could bill my credit card again...I closed my account and got a new data provider that caused me less headaches and less problems while trading...

I just didn't have time to bash them with such negativity that you seem to consistently have time to do.

P.S. I'm sure there are other vendors out there better than eSignal if your so unhappy with their service.

Mark
 
Appreciate your concerns, but all of that was a wasted effort in typing really. If eSignal is going to claim to be great and promise us stuff, I think I am in the right to bring up issues.


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Do you use Microsoft Windows?

I'm sure you have had an issue with it before.... oh wait, why not switch???

HMMMM, Not many trading platforms work with anything but windows, well, what should I do, sit and do nothing?

NOPE....

Do you see where I'm going with that?

"their software is poorly coded because they have a big vision without caring about crafting that vision... their big vsion is not based on integrity but on a monopolistic point of view which inevitably will back fire on them as it has on so many companies who adopted that policy..."

Apparently others have the same feeling, so we are speaking out about it.

If you don't like my opinions on eSignal, I don't really care, sorry to be harsh, but, the fact is, eSignal said we would have eSignal 8 out, and it hasn't came out. They said next friday, if they don't succeed in that, I'm going to be back up here complaining. There is an ignore button which I don't mind anyone using on me. I already know who I respect and talk to on ET anyways. It's a forum open to share opinions. I say eSignal is wrong in what it is doing.
 
Quote from JMowery1987:

Appreciate your concerns, but all of that was a wasted effort in typing really. If eSignal is going to claim to be great and promise us stuff, I think I am in the right to bring up issues.
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Do you use Microsoft Windows?

I'm sure you have had an issue with it before.... oh wait, why not switch???

HMMMM, Not many trading platforms work with anything but windows, well, what should I do, sit and do nothing?

NOPE....

Do you see where I'm going with that?

If you don't like my opinions on eSignal, don't post.
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Yes...you have the right to bring up issues or problems.

However, if this is a consistent issue or consistent failure on their part as you have stated...

Why are continuing to give them your money???

Here's what you do...sit down and review all your trading records and your pattern signals during the time you've been an eSignal customer.

Figure out exactly how much money they have caused you to miss in trading opportunities.

Real Costs of Trading

If that amount exceeds the cost of using more reliable data service...

You need to have a very good explanation why you want to continue missing trading opportunities via a service that's inadequate to you.

Although you didn't answer my questions in the prior message...

I'll respond to yours.

Yes...I use Microsoft Windows and I'm happy with it.

If I wasn't happy...I'll move on to something like Apple.

Yes...I've had issues on prior computers with Mircosoft Windows (nothing consistent and nothing that merits bashing them at a public forum) but almost all those problems cleared up when I got a computers (desktops and laptops) suitable for my needs as a trader and when I moved to Windows XP Professional.

There are trading programs out there that work with other OS systems besides Windows...not many but there are some out there.

No...I don't see where your going with all of this.

Once again...if they are causing you to miss trading opportunities...

Sit down and figure out your real costs of trading via continuing to use eSignal.

If that cost exceeds the cost of the higher end data vendors...

Doesn't make any sense why you refuse to give someone else your money and prefer to sit in this dark hole on your own free will.

Use google and then call around for other services after you determine your real costs of using eSignal....

Treat your trading like a business.

Take care, enjoy your weekend and stop taking this stuff personally and move on to something better (its out there).

Mark
 
Just curious, what specifically is in the eSignal 8.0 release that you need?

You should check this out - screen shots of open source trading platform. In java, works on windows, linux, ...

http://sourceforge.net/project/screenshots.php?group_id=152032

http://sourceforge.net/project/screenshots.php?group_id=152032&ssid=21517

http://sourceforge.net/project/screenshots.php?group_id=152032&ssid=21516

It already supports multiple feeds. I'm sure someone could find a way to hook it into eSignal...

That way you could get the changes to the GUI while keeping eSignal as your provider...

It's got a bunch of line tools, a bunch of studies, support for a few feeds already, he's been working on a scripting engine... Since it's open source, I'll bet one day it coudl support formula syntax for a variety of languagues (metastock, tradestation, efs, ...)


Think of it as the linux for the trading community...
 
Quote from NihabaAshi:

Yes...you have the right to bring up issues or problems.

However, if this is a consistent issue or consistent failure on their part as you have stated...

Why are continuing to give them your money???

Here's what you do...sit down and review all your trading records and your pattern signals during the time you've been an eSignal customer.

Figure out exactly how much money they have caused you to miss in trading opportunities.

Real Costs of Trading

If that amount exceeds the cost of using more reliable data service...

You need to have a very good explanation why you want to continue missing trading opportunities via a service that's inadequate to you.

Although you didn't answer my questions in the prior message...

I'll respond to yours.

Yes...I use Microsoft Windows and I'm happy with it.

If I wasn't happy...I'll move on to something like Apple.

Yes...I've had issues on prior computers with Mircosoft Windows (nothing consistent and nothing that merits bashing them at a public forum) but almost all those problems cleared up when I got a computers (desktops and laptops) suitable for my needs as a trader and when I moved to Windows XP Professional.

There are trading programs out there that work with other OS systems besides Windows...not many but there are some out there.

No...I don't see where your going with all of this.

Once again...if they are causing you to miss trading opportunities...

Sit down and figure out your real costs of trading via continuing to use eSignal.

If that cost exceeds the cost of the higher end data vendors...

Doesn't make any sense why you refuse to give someone else your money and prefer to sit in this dark hole on your own free will.

Use google and then call around for other services after you determine your real costs of using eSignal....

Treat your trading like a business.

Take care, enjoy your weekend and stop taking this stuff personally and move on to something better (its out there).

Mark
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Hi Mark,

Good points and i agree. Its something i have been in the process of doing for a few weeks now is moving to NeoTicker.. since it is multi threaded and has a very good scripting engine and good feedback... although the support staff is not as robust...

cj...

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Quote from mattgundersen:

Just curious, what specifically is in the eSignal 8.0 release that you need?
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Hi Matt,
I'm not sure who your question was directed to, but here's my answer.

What I want from eSignal is a way to 'view' many stocks, with alerts when my setup conditions are met (not just simple price alerts). What eSignal needs is programmable condition columns (with alerts) in their quote sheets (the equivalent of TradeStation's Radarscreen). In eSignal, setup conditions can be seen via efs's, but only for the number of charts you have open (if the program doesn't stall trying to do the processing). So in a market of thousands of stocks, efs's have limited use.

eSignal processing speed must be improved (via multi-thread design?), otherwise programmable quote sheet columns will only slow the program even more. With better processing speed, hopefully the Time & Sales display could keep up.

If the premarket price range is outside yesterdays price range, you can't set high and low price alerts in eSignal.

eSignal 60 minute charts that must include 30 minutes of after market trading, I've talked about earlier in this thread.

Even with programmable quote columns, if eSignal had the TradeStation equivalent of Workspaces it would allow a stock trader to quickly see charts of groups of semis, or biotechs, or retail, or software, etc, stocks.

Those are the major features I'd like to see in eSignal.
Minor improvements that come to mind are:
- volume spike cutoffs
- % change y-axis (in Adv Charts)
- intraday split adjusted charts

But none of the above are in the next two releases, or to my knowlegde even firmly in any future plan. I'm thinking it may be time to cut my losses and move on.

davez
 
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Just curious, what specifically is in the eSignal 8.0 release that you need?
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Strategy Analyzer runs like a dog (maybe it's the XML backend, I don't know).
A 64-bit version
Volume axis scaling
Spreads (based on more than one minute) updating more than once a minute.
Non-modal 'Edit Studies' dialog (just stay on top)
Gaps in data when datafeed drops out, that are never filled in again
Glitches in raw Advanced tick charts, where bid/ask lines can't keep up with the action.
 
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