ES Journal Archive (2011)

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I've blackish box that says 56 would be low.. not trusting it too much. I'm thinking we may trade down to 50's... I had lined the markets with limits but cancelled all.. thankfully before getting filled.

I'm thinking the bears could have a field day today... limited institutions.. bearish downgrade. could get ugly..
 
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do you have a valid reason why you want to be long here? I am at loss to understand, so asking. thanks


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Longs here are high probability. An unfilled third-day-in-a-row-gap is most unlikely
 
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do you have a valid reason why you want to be long here? I am at loss to understand, so asking. thanks

According to technical voodoo 1153 is 38.2% retracement from 1281 high.
 
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Longs here are high probability. An unfilled third-day-in-a-row-gap is most unlikely

fair enough...actually statistically you are correct.

However, i think we go down significantly lower - like 30-45 in asia hours and beginning european trading and then start retrace up, after some european trading has taken place.

Edit: I cant really explain why i think so - but i do think so! Also, not even sure that we do retrace after visiting 30-45 area...maybe we get stuck there.
 
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would like to have wycoff explained also,noticed in your previous paragraph no notice of larger timeframes,

As I relax on the holiday today, thought I would check in. Hope anyone else celebrating this T-day also had a good one.

So, as I said I am not a trader of the Wyckoff method. But I read some of his writings, and came to appreciate the simplicity of much of his basic beliefs.

He has three basic laws: supply and demand, cause and effect, and effort v. result.

Anyone can read about these; but of these the most useful to me has been effort v. result. Effort is the volume. Result is the resulting movement in price. When there is a large effort, a healthy reaction is a large result. When effort increases, yet result decreases (as compared with the last few minutes, for example, or on a larger daily time frame, the last few days), then a reversal of at least a small nature is almost imminent.

For example, 15:44 EST on Wednesday. We hit previous resistance, and as we do so for two minutes there are 24K contracts traded, yet there is only a 3 tick rise in price from open to close of those two minutes. When 14K contracts trade in 1 minute, and price and in that one minute moves up net 1 tick, then this is huge effort, and little result. Pushing, pushing, pushing, with little to show for it. The key is context though, as it's near an area of prior resistance. It this was a breakout of consolidation, then we may expect another wave of pushing (volume), whereas in the case mentioned here we were already moving up for some time from the low, and finally here got exhausted.

Also, the concept that volume is like "pressure" or "participation" is a pivotal concept for me. There are certain places we expect to see volume appear, such as a break out of consolidation. But price can plug along just fine without an overall increase in volume. In fact, sometimes volume will decrease, and then surge again. So, if price goes up, demand was higher, and if it goes down, supply was higher. Volume is only pressure. If there is little resistance to an up move, for example, then volume can plug along up just fine without tons of volume to push it, because there's not much to push against.

Anyway, that's some of the things that I have taken away from it. I am not a Wyckoff trader, and have never taken a course or fully read his works, so the above is not really representative of what he's all about. But in trying to find my own way in trading, I have borrowed these ideas from him and others and have tried to develop it into a belief system that works for me.
 
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filled, stop 62, target 69

This is a case where my entry at 64 was not a very good one, in fact my gut told me to exit when it started to curve back down a minute or two after entry. However, a logical stop below the LOD (would have been 60.50 or 60.75) would have made this a 3.25 pt stop, with a 5 pt target, which would have been filled. Not an ideal trade for sure, but I would have survived and target would have been hit, even with all the craziness in price movement.

So, even with a subpar entry with not a lot of volume confirmation, a logically placed stop would have made it a winner.
 
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This is a case where my entry at 64 was not a very good one, in fact my gut told me to exit when it started to curve back down a minute or two after entry. However, a logical stop below the LOD (would have been 60.50 or 60.75) would have made this a 3.25 pt stop, with a 5 pt target, which would have been filled. Not an ideal trade for sure, but I would have survived and target would have been hit, even with all the craziness in price movement.

So, even with a subpar entry with not a lot of volume confirmation, a logically placed stop would have made it a winner.

exactly. Just a caution though - one trade being right or wrong proves nothing. The theory that you are building should have a sound basis in either statistical analysis or at least reasoning. I will buy a sound theory about a particular trading setup (in this case about placement of stops) against results of 5 positive out of 5 trades anyday.

Edit: Happy Thanksgiving to you and everyone else on the thread. I am thankful that I am enjoying the company and getting to learn few things about ES trading, being challenged and sometimes challenging :)
 
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