ES Journal Archive (2011)

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Quote from gmst:

1. I think trading ES 'could' be easier than trading forex, as lots of market internals data like A-D, tick, trin, volume, leading sectors etc. are available for ES/Stocks. No such data is available for forex.

Successful day trading of the ES is all about identifying key price levels and using those to frame hypotheses about future price behavior. When the first part of your hypothesis is validated by the price action, you execute. Look for strength and weakness at those levels. Use them to enter trades. Use them to exit trades.

As an example, the current bottom in ES is 2 ticks above Thursday`s 50% level.

Today:

1) Broke below the opening range.

2) Broke below Friday`s lows.

3) Bounced off Thursday`s highs to the tick.

4) Failed at the current 50% retracement level.

5) Broke Thursday`s highs and filled the gap.

6) Retraced and tested prior support now resistance at Thursdays`s highs.

7) Traded down to to Thursdays 50% level and bounced from there.

8) As of writing this, it seems like we are trading back up to Thursday`s highs.

Failure there or even failure to reach it may be a good short. Taking it out with conviction and finding support may be a good long.

Market internals does not make trading the ES "easier" than forex. If you believe that, be prepared to be greatly surprised in a not too distant future. You may experience paralysis by analysis. If a key level breaks, it breaks regardless of what TICK or volume have been doing up until that point.

By all means, experiment and make your own conclusions. Some find great value in the internals and some don`t. I`m one of those who dropped most of these as they made me more confused than enlightened.

If you still feel like risking cash on a strategy where you need to ask for help in a public forum about how to pull up the internals, it is fine with me, but it does not sound very smart regardless of your bank roll. :)
 
Quote from Laissez Faire:

Successful day trading of the ES is all about identifying key price levels and using those to frame hypotheses about future price behavior. When the first part of your hypothesis is validated by the price action, you execute. Look for strength and weakness at those levels. Use them to enter trades. Use them to exit trades.

As of today, my trading in ES is based on identifying key price levels only, because I don't look at internals at all yet. That is the way I have traded forex before. Thanks for your insightful comments.

Quote from Laissez Faire:


Market internals does not make trading the ES "easier" than forex. If you believe that, be prepared to be greatly surprised in a not too distant future. You may experience paralysis by analysis. If a key level breaks, it breaks regardless of what TICK or volume have been doing up until that point.

By all means, experiment and make your own conclusions. Some find great value in the internals and some don`t. I`m one of those who dropped most of these as they made me more confused than enlightened.
Thanks for above comments. If I discover something over the next few months, I will be happy to share generalities in this forum.

Quote from Laissez Faire:


If you still feel like risking cash on a strategy where you need to ask for help in a public forum about how to pull up the internals, it is fine with me, but it does not sound very smart regardless of your bank roll. :)

haha :) Since it is a public forum that allows anonymity, I can sound as stupid as I want. If I meet someone face to face, probably its harder to ask simple questions - don't you think so!
 
Quote from Laissez Faire:


If you still feel like risking cash on a strategy where you need to ask for help in a public forum about how to pull up the internals, it is fine with me, but it does not sound very smart regardless of your bank roll. :) [/B]

I think I see what you and Ammo are saying...
When you are new to the whole thing, which I am, perhaps trading small and live helps you figure out the psychology part.

when you've worked your way past that, then papertrading is an obvious way to learn new things. One doesn't need to repeat the psychology part, or lose money in the process. Thanks
 
Quote from Laissez Faire:

Successful day trading of the ES is all about identifying key price levels and using those to frame hypotheses about future price behavior. When the first part of your hypothesis is validated by the price action, you execute. Look for strength and weakness at those levels. Use them to enter trades. Use them to exit trades.

As an example, the current bottom in ES is 2 ticks above Thursday`s 50% level.

Today:

1) Broke below the opening range.

2) Broke below Friday`s lows.

3) Bounced off Thursday`s highs to the tick.

4) Failed at the current 50% retracement level.

5) Broke Thursday`s highs and filled the gap.

6) Retraced and tested prior support now resistance at Thursdays`s highs.

7) Traded down to to Thursdays 50% level and bounced from there.

8) As of writing this, it seems like we are trading back up to Thursday`s highs.

Failure there or even failure to reach it may be a good short. Taking it out with conviction and finding support may be a good long.

Market internals does not make trading the ES "easier" than forex. If you believe that, be prepared to be greatly surprised in a not too distant future. You may experience paralysis by analysis. If a key level breaks, it breaks regardless of what TICK or volume have been doing up until that point.

By all means, experiment and make your own conclusions. Some find great value in the internals and some don`t. I`m one of those who dropped most of these as they made me more confused than enlightened.

If you still feel like risking cash on a strategy where you need to ask for help in a public forum about how to pull up the internals, it is fine with me, but it does not sound very smart regardless of your bank roll. :)

i missed all this..all great stuff but temper this with a FEEL for the action
i will cover @ 1204 :D
 
Quote from gmst:

2. trading ES in large sizes (1000-5000 lots+) in and out multiple times intraday should be easier than ...
Hot coffee came out of my nostrils and soaked my keyboard after reading this. I shouldn't drink coffee while reading this journal.:(
 
Quote from macho grande:

i missed all this..all great stuff but temper this with a FEEL for the action
i will cover @ 1204 :D
I FEEL the market doesn't want what you want...at least not today...:(
 
Quote from PushPull:

Hot coffee came out of my nostrils and soaked my keyboard after reading this. I shouldn't drink coffee while reading this journal.:(

:D

Btw, I was completely serious. Why pursue trading rather than other easier professions, if you don't have ambition to rise really high. Not saying you or I or anyone else can do it. Definitely its going to be hard, but 1% of 1% will do it.
 
Quote from gmst:

:D

Btw, I was completely serious. Why pursue trading rather than other easier professions, if you don't have ambition to rise really high. Not saying you or I or anyone else can do it. Definitely its going to be hard, but 1% of 1% will do it.

I think he simply meant that trading 5000 lots should not be on your radar, as you are not yet trading 1 lot. It's no reason to trade or not trade something. One step at a time. It's like saying you want to pay $2000 a month for a T3 internet line when you only use text-based email.
 
Quote from gmst:

Since it is a public forum that allows anonymity, I can sound as stupid as I want. If I meet someone face to face, probably its harder to ask simple questions - don't you think so!

"It is better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to open one's mouth and remove all doubt."

One of my favorite quotes. You certainly did not inspire it, but you reminded me of it, so I hope you`re not offended. I think it`s funny, that`s all. :)

I think you are asking the right questions. It is far more stupid to remain in ignorance out of fear of sounding stupid. You will find the best answers in the market place though.

What I and others were remarking is that you obviously are in the strategy development phase and getting a feel for this new market, implementating new tools during the trading day, finding your way, etc. It does not make sense to risk cash during such a period, even if you`ve been very successful in FX.

Personally, I learned to treat simulator trading very seriously and even experienced fear during that phase. Why? Because I had a plan that I was working with. For example, daily consistency with low drawdowns over a 4 week period.

I knew that if I messed up and did not meet my goals, I would not be allowed to trade real money. Thus, in a sense, it was very real to me.
 
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