ES Journal Archive (2011)

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Quote from iloveoptions:

Well, it went - 37.75 from the profit peak, but just -15 from his entry. However, if he's like most long term traders gunning for at least 2:1 R:R, then his stop is quite justified. Of course, all of us traders like to justify our stops by making our targets at least twice as much before we announce them to the public. Funny breed of people we are, lol :D

In terms of seasonality and earnings season, he's going against the grain. So unless we have some nasty news in the weeks ahead, his odds are slim that he'll achieve 110 point profit against his 56 or so point stop loss. Only time will tell...

I understand a wide initial stop on such a trade to adjust for "noise", but I don`t understand leaving the trade open like it was done unless he went on holiday for a while and did not have time to manage the trade.

With a 58 point stop, he can afford to be wrong many times with a smaller stop (20 points?) and still get paid the same or even more if he can work an entry closer to a potential top.

As an example, if he were stopped out at breakeven like I suggested, he could now enter new sell orders at 14,50 and get back in.

If not filled and the market continues higher, he could trail his sell orders on a daily basis until triggered. He may end up with a much better entry on his short position.

I`m not a long term trader at this point though, so this is merely me thinking out loud :)

And who knows, we might even reverse from this point and he may get paid massively.

Personally, I`m still pissed that I got stopped out B/E @ 99 and the market only traded a few ticks against that before rallying :)

I`m intrigued by the idea of getting a good initial day trade entry and then letting the trade run if one is lucky to catch a turning point. The R/R can be incredibly sexy :) I imagine that if I had two accounts, this could be done easily. Still, my ability to predict long-term direction is pretty lousy so the long from 99 was a crapshot anyway.
 
Quote from Laissez Faire:

I understand a wide initial stop on such a trade to adjust for "noise", but I don`t understand leaving the trade open like it was done unless he went on holiday for a while and did not have time to manage the trade.

With a 58 point stop, he can afford to be wrong many times with a smaller stop (20 points?) and still get paid the same or even more if he can work an entry closer to a potential top.

As an example, if he were stopped out at breakeven like I suggested, he could now enter new sell orders at 14,50 and get back in.

If not filled and the market continues higher, he could trail his sell orders on a daily basis until triggered. He may end up with a much better entry on his short position.

I`m not a long term trader at this point though, so this is merely me thinking out loud :)

And who knows, we might even reverse from this point and he may get paid massively.

Personally, I`m still pissed that I got stopped out B/E @ 99 and the market only traded a few ticks against that before rallying :)

I`m intrigued by the idea of getting a good initial day trade entry and then letting the trade run if one is lucky to catch a turning point. The R/R can be incredibly sexy :) I imagine that if I had two accounts, this could be done easily. Still, my ability to predict long-term direction is pretty lousy so the long from 99 was a crapshot anyway.

All your points are quite valid. We don't really know though why he chose 1314 as an entry point for a long term trade, since that is not a safe breakdown point and still within the 6 month broad top that has to resolve either way. Also there are no adverse news to support his bearish stance. We also have to be aware that a 20 point stop would not be wise to place, since the market today with the debt issue uncertainty can easily move the market 20 points in 15 minutes before reversing.

I also feel bad for exiting my long at 1306.5 when we went to 1329.
75 . The market is good at making us feel that way from time to time unfortunately.
 
Quote from DanS:

Okay, heads is upand tails is down.

Here comes the flip/

HEADS

Heads i win.
tails you lose.

deep in the $ now.
just a matter how much

how many hadles you think i win
short from 1323?
 
Quote from iloveoptions:

. Of course, all of us traders like to justify our stops by making our targets at least twice as much before we announce them to the public. Funny...:D


I don't...:D

NiN
 
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