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decel,you obviously didnt see it,shouldnt trade what you dont see,that 's smart trading actually,not sure about peks rule on the day after,but i think that last half hour reversal negates the all day down definition
 
Quote from Lawrence Chan:

After having a nice dinner with my family, and having some good wine at the moment, feel like repeating this important concept that has been repeatedly told by Pek, SS, etc.

1. The opening range became the high of the day after an hour
2. We clearly have opening range breakout down side
3. gap direction is out of the way (filled, etc.)
4. lunch time never retrace more than 1/3 (my added rule :))

You have potentially a good trend down day if you have 3 out of the 4 requirements above.

The catch is that if there is no new low printed after 2:00 pm ET, a reversal can happen. If a new low is printed after 2 pm, then selling into the pullback will likely get you a new low print after 3:00 pm.

All that ends by 3:30 pm, as a strong melt down or a strong come back is equally likely.

Trend up day is almost an exact opposite.

With proper money management, trading potential trend days alone is good enough money for many. :)


Excellent Professor.

Good vino helps, my preference being a robust, hearty shiraz or merlot.

As for market during these last days of a year to remember, I think the path of least resistance is down, real hard down. If not, I will wait for the rally and short heavily all the way to end of January, target being SPX 700 or lower.
 
Quote from smilingsynic:

I wrote this about a year ago under the thread "How not to blow up trading stock index futures":

"Don't trade countertrend on a trend day.

No $hit, sherlock. How does one know it is going to be a trend day?

Consider the following as generalizations based on my own experience. And if it helps you avoid losing half your nut (or more) on a day like this (Friday, October 19, S&P down 2 1/2%and falling), then good:

1. Strongly trending markets tend to move in tight channels, and there is little movement away from the trend, and little movement back to the open. The stronger the trend, the smaller the pullback.

2. When the market gaps down, and then trades up to a point that there is a swing high below the gap, there is generally at least another strong move down for the day. Gap (or strong move) plus mid-day consolidation equals late afternoon continuation.

Likewise, when the market gaps up, and then trades down to a point that there is a swing low above the gap, there generally is at least another strong move up for the day

In other words, there is usually a chance to get out a mid-day. If you have been fading all morning, you might want to take advantage.

3. On a trend day, the trend tends to become stronger as the trading day becomes longer. Therefore, on a trend day, the stubborn countertrend trader risks suffering significant losses.

4. If the market consolidates at support and does not bounce off, that support will probably not hold. The longer the market consolidates at support, the more likely it will successfully be breached. Likewise, if the market consolidates at resistance and does not back off, that resistance will probably not hold. The longer the market consolidates at resistance, the more likely it will successfully be breached.

5. If the market breezes through S2 or R2 levels early in the day, as if they didn't exist, they probably didn't.

Good luck to all (unless you are on the other side of my trade)."

Based on the above 5 criteria, I would surmise that today is a trend day.

1. Large gap down that has not filled. Attempt to hit pivot has failed.
2. S2 is NOT way up there, but the market is not bouncing off, like it should, if the market is going to rally.
3. Lunchtime rally = tight channel, so far. Strong trend + consolidation = probably continuation.

I would/am consider long term buys only, not intraday buys. Good luck to all.

This is an old, old post that I brought back, just to add what Lawrence Chan. Pekelo, and others have noted.

Made one trade this morning, and then went to the zoo with the family. Saw neither bulls nor bears there. :)
 
Quote from ammo:

decel,you obviously didnt see it,shouldnt trade what you dont see,that 's smart trading actually,not sure about peks rule on the day after,but i think that last half hour reversal negates the all day down definition

Question is: what didn't I see? I was actually short the ES early on, and was short (twice) the YM after the open on current highs.

The problem is that my stops were "within the noise" like B1 says all the time, because I also have an issue with terminating my losers.

I now have this tendency to place a stop 1 increment below my entry to *secure* a minimal gain (actually, avoid a loss). But the damn market fetches the stop once or twice before running in the direction I want it to.

Every once in a while though it will whiplash and run against my call, and in the past I was *deer staring at the headlights* while the loss just keeps coming in.

Nice controlled and mild trend days I can read the action pretty good, but after getting clobbered -Killed!- in Oct-Nov vertical trends, I am now more fearful than ever.


I feel like an addict that needs coke to live, but has to fight off the potential overdose...

Edit: thanks for all your replies, I'll try to identify trend days with those guidelines. Took me 3 months to be able to make out an ADU/SDD before a day is actually over though... all in the process of learning.
 
Have upside target of 890 and strong pull at 888. Will be looking for longs on dips into today's action or breakout of afternoon. Mid to low 60's would present good entries if approached on low downside momentum.
 
While energy and equities have decoupled somewhat as of late, I suspect the end to the downside will develop in the light holiday volume just as the upside ended over the 4th of July week. I do not expect quite as spetatular rebound, but a reversion to the meaty part of the mean is in order.
 
A look at the SPX:

Major gap at 1099.52 (make it 1100)
Major swing low at 740.33 (make it 740)

1100-740= 360
360/2= 180

740 +180= 920. Recent swing high on SPX is 918.73.

If we are in an uptrend that will continue throughout early next year (that has been my thesis), 920 area might well end up being the halfway point to 1100.

1100 by May, and then sell and go away?
 
Quote from Lawrence Chan:



1. The opening range became the high of the day after an hour


LC or others: Can you define opening range? What is the time period you are referring to? Is it 9:30 - 10:30 est (opening of equity markets?

Thanks,

Webb
 
Quote from webbma:

Quote from Lawrence Chan:



1. The opening range became the high of the day after an hour


LC or others: Can you define opening range? What is the time period you are referring to? Is it 9:30 - 10:30 est (opening of equity markets?

Thanks,

Webb

Starting from 9:30am. 15mn, 30mn,,,,,,,,,,,,, What ever works for you.
 
Quote from Zodiac4u:

Starting from 9:30am. 15mn, 30mn,,,,,,,,,,,,, What ever works for you.

Thank you...am i crazy or do most people tend to be able to figure out the trend on the longer time frames?
 
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