ES Journal Archive (2006 - 2008)

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Quote from hulkgogan:

There's a lot of "this is what I do" not so much "this is how I do". Again there's value in that, but it's marginal compared to the how.
I disagree. As a professional educator, I can tell you that the lesson is much better learned if the student has to work hard to learn it than if the teacher hands it to the student on a silver platter.

Do I understand how Apex creates his fib-confluence zone charts? No, not yet. But I have confidence that if I look at enough of them, sooner or later the light will start to dawn. The time and effort required for this to occur will make the lesson that much more valuable.

Would I mind if Apex dropped a few subtle hints? No, not a bit. :)

But I do not aspire to learn Apex methods by rote. I want to learn them from first principles. That's the only way to gain a deep understanding, to gain true insight. And that's the only kind of learning that is really worth doing.

I've spent my entire life tackling new fields of study, ultimately mastering them, and then teaching what I've learned to others. I've never failed to master a subject to which I really applied myself. Thinking back, the only subject I failed to master (quite spectacularly) was golf. :D
 
Huge move overnight in Treasuries. ZN printed 104-04, within 3 tics of the June 28 2006 low print of 104-01. Also, check my numbers, but didnt ES touch the 38% retracement of the move from March 14 low to recent high? (Low print was 1494.25)
 
Quote from hulkgogan:

Define student? One could make the case that the gurus are not actively teaching here. They are basking.

Are you being taught how to draw those magical confluence lines? Are you being taught the methods to establish those equilibrium price levels? This is quite different from seeing them.

Fair enough. As a "student", I study the principles used and view the actions taken. This is far more valuable to me than knowing how they get their exact numbers. I accept the challenge and work very hard every day to find my own way of obtaining valid numbers with the goal of being correct.

FWIW, I am now finding zones which happen to coincide with reversals. It's now a matter of repeating the feat enough to obtain a solid level of confidence in them.
 
Quote from hulkgogan:

Define student? One could make the case that the gurus are not actively teaching here. They are basking.

Are you being taught how to draw those magical confluence lines? Are you being taught the methods to establish those equilibrium price levels? This is quite different from seeing them.

Ever see the movie The Prestige? There's a difference between prestidigitation and technique. Not that there isn't any value in the show but it's skewed to entertainment over education. One can only conclude that the continued circumspection is intentional. There's a lot of "this is what I do" not so much "this is how I do". Again there's value in that, but it's marginal compared to the how. The question I have to the gurus is a simple one: why? Seeing how you're here and seem to enjoy it, the additional effort of the occasional wholly pedagogical post is marginal.

I'm sure this isn't a popular sentiment here, as I do follow this thread more than any other and know the trader mindset of dog eat dog and earning your scars. But I certainly don't want to pretend I'm a student of this thread. Because that implies I'm being taught. I'm not. I'm being awed. Quite different.

YMMV

I think you are spot on. Many of the posts here have marginal value. They are for the most part, the "look how smart I am" variety. " I bought at X and sold at Y." Muhammad Ali is alive and well here. "I am the greatest"
 
Quote from mbusch:

I disagree. As a professional educator, I can tell you that the lesson is much better learned if the student has to work hard to learn it than if the teacher hands it to the student on a silver platter.

What bull crap. Hey Teach, the objective is to teach the lesson. An educator's job is to transfer knowledge in an efficient and constructive manner, not to obsfucate and stonewall the learning process.

Under your theory of teaching, the student who easily grasps concepts isn't learning as well as he would if he had to struggle to comprehend the lesson. You and Jack Hershey have a lot in common I see.
 
Quote from trendy:

What bull crap. Hey Teach, the objective is to teach the lesson. An educator's job is to transfer knowledge in an efficient and constructive manner, not to obsfucate and stonewall the learning process.

Under your theory of teaching, the student who easily grasps concepts isn't learning as well as he would if he had to struggle to comprehend the lesson. You and Jack Hershey have a lot in common I see.

I don't recall anyone claiming to be actively teaching. I simply "choose" to learn.
 
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Quote from trendy:

What bull crap. Hey Teach, the objective is to teach the lesson. An educator's job is to transfer knowledge in an efficient and constructive manner, not to obsfucate and stonewall the learning process.

Under your theory of teaching, the student who easily grasps concepts isn't learning as well as he would if he had to struggle to comprehend the lesson. You and Jack Hershey have a lot in common I see.



Apparently you have never taken an upper level economics class. It's just like listening to JH when the prof is the department head.
 
Quote from riaamaan:

I don't recall anyone claiming to be actively teaching.

That's because they aren't. Many here are grandstanding. My post about teaching really had nothing to do with this thread per se. I was just discussing teaching methodology in general. Since this is off-topic, I won't post anything further on this subject.

BTW short from 1506.50 :p

EDIT: out at 1505.

See how educational that was.
 
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