ES Journal Archive (2006 - 2008)

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Quote from JimmyJam:

Got an early Short, the Long came through, I'm a happy camper and off to work ... oh OK, now I'm not so happy :( .

Nah, work allows me to do what I want to do, perfect it and succeed at it, so it's full-speed ahead.

JJ

P.S. Just in case you're wondering, the Long was a volente_00 10pt reversal trade.

Good you mention Volente. Dont ruin your reputation :) That entry looks awful. The start of a bear flag, which broke, making not 1 but 2 subsequent lows.
 
Todays +6/-6 lines were.

0835 ct bar was at = 1437.25
-6 ticks line was at = 1435.75

+6 tick line was at = 1438.75

took -6 line at the 1435.75 and got out at 1428.00 for +7 3/4 handles. only 1 trade today

Was going to post as soon as the 0835 bar stsrted but was having problems with quotes. Thks, Also thinking about an addition to this strategy to trade the DEAD ZONE area in another account, will post later thks again. Have fun slicing some bacon tomorrow.
 
Quote from bighog:

Todays +6/-6 lines were.

0835 ct bar was at = 1437.25
-6 ticks line was at = 1435.75

+6 tick line was at = 1438.75

took -6 line at the 1435.75 and got out at 1428.00 for +7 3/4 handles. only 1 trade today

Was going to post as soon as the 0835 bar stsrted but was having problems with quotes. Thks, Also thinking about an addition to this strategy to trade the DEAD ZONE area in another account, will post later thks again. Have fun slicing some bacon tomorrow.
BH, could you elaborate on your +/- 6-tick opening breakout strategy? I saw you talking about this late last week, but when I backtested it over the weekend against 3 months worth of 1-minute data for the ESZ06, the results were not good. I tried back-testing it two ways: one with a stop-and-reverse if a breakout trade was taken and then the opposite deadband line was subsequently breached, and a second with a stop but no reverse. Neither looked promising.

My backtesting set the dead band lines based on the opening price of the first bar after 0830 CST, because I think that's what you said last week. I see that you used the 0835 CST open on Monday.

Are there some other pre-market qualifiers that you use to decide whether or not to take this trade? For example, do you alter the strategy if the market at 0830 CST is gap-up or gap-down?

Do you simply enter a pair of complementary stop orders to enter the trade at open+1.5 and open -1.5?

Monday morning when the ESH07 made its downside breakout, I thought to myself "I bet BH is a happy camper this morning" ... but I didn't dare make the trade myself because of my poor backtesting results over the weekend.

Am I missing something, or did you just get lucky? (Or both?:D)
 
Quote from osorico:

Good you mention Volente. Dont ruin your reputation :) That entry looks awful. The start of a bear flag, which broke, making not 1 but 2 subsequent lows.

LOL :D - Ruin my reputation on one trade!

Yeah, I like to try out different things on the board, to see if they do work for me or if they don't.

That trade definitely didn't! - I saw the market breaking down also, and the trade became a 50/50 prospect instead of 80/20 (which is how I perfer to trade).

Good thing the market trades back-and-forth about 60-70% of the time, eh? :p

Good trading to ya,

JJ
 
mbusch

OK, i will try to give you some of the strategy thinking in the +6/-6.
My thinking about openings always has been that the institutions etc are in the mkt on openings, no one would dispute that simply by observing what the volume is on openings.

One quick note before i continue: i do not use a 1 minute chart for signals, creats to many trades. 5 minute chart only in ES. When the SP500 pit opens in Chicago at 0830Central time, i use that as the opening, not the globex times, in other words the first print on globex from the pit opening is when my day starts. Then what i do is let the first 5 minutes go by and do nothing (i pay no attention to any gaps), then when the next bar on the 5 min chart prints i use that price as my point to write down that price and then the price at +6 ticks and the price at -6 below.

Ok, now you can set limit orders and sit. You have orders on both sides. Maybe the other side now can become a stop order even though i would normally be out about -6 ticks from entry (the 0835 line).

Here is a thought about this strategy: if followed on openings it works like a new girlfriend as like ystrdy. When it will not work is on whipsaw days (the buggaboo of any breakout trader). Ok, aside of it working right off the bat or not, it will do this>>>>>.......it will keep a trader on right side of the mkt. That in itself says an awful lot, there is no luck, no opinions, no whiz bang indicator etc. It is RAW to the bone.

This is my only signal to trade off the opening. Now say after the first hour i might take the first hour breakout if the opening was a whippy non sensical price jitterbug as the mkt is confused. But, if one is in the mkt and showing a profit then i watch the retrace action.

Hope this helps.. Ps........working on a seperate strategy to trade the DEAD ZONE. In a nutshell it could be a SAR tactic but i am leaning to a seperate account to range trade the 3 handles in DZ. Easier to enter limits etc in a seperate account with pre-set orders, even though it is a no brainer to throw in mkt orders in a liquid ES trade.

PS, a big part of this opening trade is going to be in ones ability to avoid whipsaws as stated. Sometimes it is advisable to take a couple small losses or scratches and wait for first hour price breakout. Some ideas are best used as discretionary. But as a rule this is a great way to start the day to catch the usually biggest run of the day as a leg. Later
 
Quote from bighog:

0835ct = 1431.25

so +6 line = 1432.75
0835 ct line = 1431.25
-6line = 1429.75

we shall see
This may be part of the problem I've having: I show the open of this morning's first bar of ESH07 as 1429.50, not 1431.25. I wonder why our charts are different by 3 ticks?
 
always a good idea to take a couple ticks of profits if you see action reversing from a profit back towards a scratch

like trading moving average crosses, bouncing back and forth drives ya nuts
 
mbush

probably the quote vendors, and also sometimes i just take a look at price so i could be a tick or 2 off, principle is still the same.
later
 
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