if u think of that example u gave,2 ups and 2 downs, it sort of cxls itself out, i know it was just an example,but if big trend is up ,small trend just reached its support,i would be bullish until support is broken, and your right a small break doesn't count,theres always momentum in a big move,the selling didn't continue this morning and it held yesterdays low,now we are here again and its holding,i dont really count this part of the day for holding because there is no volume from 11-1,but if it starts to move up around 12:30 chicago time i want to get long, this was aresponse to a tommymoose post, my long target would hopefully reach 1408, gap to fill on yest markt profile