Quote from tortoise:
I would think that 1557 (Monday's POC) would present something of a hurdle, but if we get past that, with some gas,I'd be looking at the 1570 area as a possible target. Thoughts anyone?
Quote from princessa:
or maybe we're all fairly equal genetically (with slight variations of course) and 90% of ability is learned. training from age 3 months = genius, for example, in 90% of humans. stock/finance training from age 5 years = stock/trading genius. piano training intensely from age 3 = piano genius.
it's amazing how people make these genetic assertions about things which could just as easily be learned. i guess they do that because it makes them feel better, like they're superior, or something....
Quote from princessa:
disagree. i think everyone has the ability to become a surgeon if trained well enough and from an early enough age. most people simply do not have the inclination to train a child that intensively so it falls to luck and interest and backing, etc.
with regard to trading, i would have to say that training is also everything. skill sets can be learned through training and practice.
unless the individual is handicapped (with some exceptions there, as well), almost anyone can be trained to be a surgeon, a rocket scientist, or a concert pianist if you start early enough.
who is the psychologist (historical) who said give me a baby and i'll give you a genius? then proved it.
Quote from princessa:
disagree. i think everyone has the ability to become a surgeon if trained well enough and from an early enough age. most people simply do not have the inclination to train a child that intensively so it falls to luck and interest and backing, etc.
with regard to trading, i would have to say that training is also everything. skill sets can be learned through training and practice.
unless the individual is handicapped (with some exceptions there, as well), almost anyone can be trained to be a surgeon, a rocket scientist, or a concert pianist if you start early enough.
who is the psychologist (historical) who said give me a baby and i'll give you a genius? then proved it.
Yes, discipline trumps conviction.Quote from smilingsynic:
Trading is a learned behavior requiring discipline, patience, and self-control.
That's the beauty of this game, the above qualities that you mentioned level the playing field.If I were to teach someone to be a trader, I'd look for those qualities. I would not look for education.
Intellect helps to process information and solve the problems that exist before every trader, that's all.I was a member of Mensa at one time in my life and am right now an academic (when I am not trading--I teach outside of trading hours)--believe me when I say that genius and education have little to do with trading excellence.
Yep, thinking too much can definitely be a problem ... and as for the guys with intellect and education, well, we see what happens to them. They have to be right, and they think they can outsmart the markets (ref, Victor Neiderhoffer, LTCM, the latest Goldman Hedge fund debacle). :eek:On the contrary, I would say that they may be obstacles to overcome.
Quote from hulkgogan:
On this train to be a genius argument:
I used to be an elite bicycle racer at a national level. I had the pleasure to race against, and with, some amazing bike racers including Lance Armstrong early in his career. It took me 12 years training 15-20 hours a week to get to the level I was at. I had coaches, diet, equipment, training plans, testing, family support etc. At the end of my career at 32 I had more or less reached my full potential. I couldn't get any faster. 12 years and at the end I was just an ok bike racer.
Now take my teammate that joined our team the last year I raced. The year before he was this big fat guy who took up riding to lose some weight and decided he'd try a local race and got the bug. By the next year he was on one of the top amateur teams in Canada (mine). The year after that a smaller pro team in the States. The year after that one of the top US teams. Recently he just won the UCI America Tour.
My teammate greatly exceeded my achievements within a couple of years of being a bike racer. Did he train more than me? Eat better? Have a better training plan? No. I actually was better at all those things. No, he was better than me for one simple reason: god given talent. And I would never find enough hours in the day, or start early enough as a youth to be able to overcome his marginal propensity to outperform me.
Anyone who says otherwise, really doesn't know what they are on about.