ES is manipulated?

[hurricane_sh]

So you expect to close your 4k lots above your average price (+2Pts) ? Which is 2K lots within 2Pts ? I wouldn't do that. Seems like you're used to. Glad for you.

If I had the money, I may give it a try. For now, just my wild guess, lol.

 

[Xela]

Just for fun, no serious discussions in this thread please.

Damn ... there's always a catch ...

In addition you must be ... A chartist. What's that ?

It's a British, working class political reformer in the mid-19th Century: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chartism

 

[learner2007]

Don't fear manipulation, welcome it! The easiest price movement to read is that which is being manipulated, once you learn how, of course! The attached is a perfect example of a manipulated stock.
Something as big as an index futures contract could not be manipulated for as long a time. But short intraday runs can be.

 

[Scataphagos]

I always feel that es can be manipulated, especially outside the regular trading hours, some people can move the price as they like. And the feeling is getting increasing stronger recently.

I also think some smart traders can predict most moves.

Just for fun, no serious discussions in this thread please.

For the most part, prices can be manipulated only when the volume is low. (We've all heard of "pump and dump" in penny stocks.) Except in perhaps rare cases like the famous "flash crash"... and not sure even that qualifies... the ES is too big to be manipulated for much... would take HUGE* money during RTH with no assurance of success.

* to manipulate the ES for 1 point would take about $250 MILLION. (After hours is a lesser story, but still. There are almost always ~1000 contracts within 1 point of the current price.) I can recall when the ES first started trading. The entire DOM overnight might be 20 contracts total or less Bid/Offered. That's when the prices could have been manipulated.

You really shouldn't concern yourself with the ES possibly being "manipulated".

 

[der_kommissar]

For the most part, prices can be manipulated only when the volume is low. Except in perhaps rare cases like the famous "flash crash"... and not sure even that qualifies... the ES is too big to be manipulated for much would take HUGE money with no assurance of success.

You really shouldn't concern yourself with the ES possibly being "manipulated".

That's a valid point, which is why the bulk of gains in the S&P 500 occur via overnight moves...

 

[speedo]

Don't know if it's manipulated and don't care. I find it to be a good instrument to trade. The only thing I know for sure is, I sure as hell can't manipulate it.

 

[Simples]

You're all in on it!

 

[hurricane_sh]

* to manipulate the ES for 1 point would take about $250 MILLION.

Don't understatement the trend followers, you show the muscle, you get more followers than enemies.

 

[qxr1011]

I always feel that es can be manipulated, especially outside the regular trading hours, some people can move the price as they like. And the feeling is getting increasing stronger recently.

who cares...especially outside trading hours

manipulated markets or not - TA still works

I also think some smart traders can predict most moves.

imho smartness of the trader reflected not in his predictions (he should not do them imho), but in how well his method works

 

[TradeCat]

Isn't the ES's underlying the SPX?