ES Daytraders, Whats max heat you will take ?

While we're at it, I thought I'd throw this in.... PROFIT TARGETS ARE BOGUS!

To say "I'm going to play for '______ points'", is ridiculous. To think, "it's 11 points to overhead resistance, so I'm going to try to play for THAT" is OK.

Have support and resistance in mind for swing trades...........
 
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(2) Daily-Swing type trades... going for the potential of 8-10 swing points with 3-4 points risk.

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Damn, I thought that this was my little secret.
Gets rid of trend days and small days.
Trend days just come along as a bonus.
 
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And how do you make money with these strategies on the 6 point range days intraday ? Not everyday is like today and the majority of the time es is chopping sideways in a narrow range.
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All you can play for is what the markets offer. If the daily range is 6 points and you capture 2, that's a successful day in my book.
 
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Damn, I thought that this was my little secret.
Gets rid of trend days and small days.
Trend days just come along as a bonus.
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There's an art to trading....

Some players have a bias to fade everything, believing that there is "no trend move, this time".

Others have a bias to play for "every reversal is the start of the next trend move".

Neither is consistently correct. To do well overall, a trader must be able to "evaluate on the fly"... trend, or chop.

You only have to get a certain percentage of it correct with no really big dumb-ass losses.
 
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Well, there is no really "easy" path... but scalping is definitely more difficult.

I've been trading longer than most of the noobs on ET have been alive.... and I believe there are 2 potentially good approaches...

(1) Swing trades off of daily charts

(2) Daily-Swing type trades... going for the potential of 8-10 swing points with 3-4 points risk.

Scalping is just waaaay too manic and requires players determine "which noise tick is playable for profit". The fact that it's mostly "noise" = low probability of getting it right.
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Fair enough. I'll take Door No. 2.
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<i>"And how do you make money with these strategies on the 6 point range days intraday ? Not everyday is like today and the majority of the time es is chopping sideways in a narrow range."</i>

Day traders shouldn't expect to make money every day. That expectation causes more failure than most any other factor.

6pt range sessions are merely navigated with controlled loss, while the following session of range expansion offers solid profit potential big enough for two (or more) session's worth.
 
Quote from gnome:

All you can play for is what the markets offer. If the daily range is 6 points and you capture 2, that's a successful day in my book.
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2 points is considered scalping to most and if you are using 4 point stops on these days and waiting for that 8 to 10 point move you will find yourself in trouble real fast.
 
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Day traders shouldn't expect to make money every day. That expectation causes more failure than most any other factor.
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I strongly disagree. This game is about making consistent profits day after day. To go into a trading day saying it's ok if I lose money today is setting yourself up to fail. Additude is everything.
 
And what if, heaven forbid you lose -1pt intraday? Where is the mindset for that post-market pep talk AND more importantly, next day's trading?

Successful mindset is based on "lose small, win bigger". Traders who fixate on not losing = winning every day (aka lunch bucket mentality) invariably self-destruct during what should be flat to mild drawdown events.
 
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