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Eric Swalwell sues Trump and close allies over Capitol riot in second major insurrection lawsuit
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If someone maliciously yells "Fire!" in a crowded theater and people unfortunately react accordingly, resulting in death or injury, who is more to blame? The guy who yelled fire or the people trying to save themselves? Trump and his allies were yelling Fire! for months leading up to the insurrection and then primed the crowd on that very day. Which dots don't connect for you?
I didn't think the suit was against the Proud Boys et al. Why even bother to bring them up in this thread? The FBI is dealing with them for now. They were a willing instrument of the people named in the suit.
It was cited in Tony's article about the MS Congressman suing Proud Boys...
try and keep up
Manson.... seriously.... the guy shouted about killing people and a race war and was proven he directed his people to kill. he was outside the house during the Labianca killings. he was directly criminally liable and sentenced to prison.
You are going to use Manso';s criminal conviction as a legal precedent to win a civil case agaisnt Trump?
Do some research on the Manson trial first.
I dont care what your personal political belief is, I am giving you a legal analysis that suing Trump because you were afraid as those people stormed the Capitol is a very tenuaous weak civil case. It would be improved if there was some criminal activity found from FBI investigation but so far nothing.
Yelling Fire in a theater is already specifically illegal so your analogy is still stretching in a civl suit. Yelling Fire specifically causes a panic which has been made illegal. Saying an election was stolen is verbal political diarhea that goes on daily and hard to use as a means to justify a civil suit damages.
Trump saying the election was a fraud is protected by 1st Amendment sadly.
You don't get to magically connect dots, you have to prove to a jury of 12 people selected by both sides. Good luck doing that.
You made the argument that only the people who directly put his life in danger could be at fault,point is that is not true.
In theory you can sue anyone, I am talking about the viability of a lawsuit against Trump, Rudy, Proud Boys, etc...
Manson was criminally charged and he did not claim innocence or any other defense, that analogy does not work at all.
Your first sentence implied that only those directly responsible could be liable,Manson is just an example that that is not true.
Multiple legal pundits say they are.Thats why there are 2 civil suits already with more to come.
Sorry that is not what I meant, However Manson was PART of the group of those who did the killing. Trump was not part of the groups who did the attack on the Capitol. There are numerous ways to distinguish it.
You might not like it but under the law if are a defendant you can show you never directed them to do an action or show you have no connection, the burden of proof for civil liability is still pretty high. A defendent in reality does not have to prove anything but can easily disprove facts and win summary judgment.