We helped you win the wars in the first place you ignoramus. And guess who your most highly decorated unit in WW2 was: a group of Japanese American soldiers, yeah the same ones whose families you interned in California and elsewhere.
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Japanese-Americans is not the discussion here. How many Canadians stormed the beach at Normandy in 1944? Sheesh!
A war from which you greatly benefitted. Or do you honestly believe without German educated and trained scientists who fled Germany to the US that the US would have come up with the bomb first? Absolutely not. Same story as today, your top people are immigrants, first generation. Take a look at the top of most of your technology companies. So, please spare me with any artificial benevolence towards other regions and its people. The entire American nation and its culture rests upon the idea to benefit at others' cost and demise. It's all strategic : me everything, the other nothing.
ok. the whole point I was making in this thread is that you should not piss on veterans, because they keep us safe and protect our ability to be able to speak the way we do now. Freely. Canada provided soldiers to the front lines in the wars, but the USA provided much more. All for the cause of freedom. The freedoms which you now enjoy as Canadians.Why is this even an argument? Stop pissing on USA and Canadian veterans! They are not military idiots!
Canada was at no point ever threatened by any other nation whatsoever. Thanks but your idealistic motivations to help keep Canada safe are not needed. If anything a wall between the US and Canada should be raised to keep us safe from more bullshit.
You watched too many patriotic Hollywood war movies my friend. Take off your rose tinted glasses and stare reality in its face. If the US stopped exploiting the rest of the world all in the name of control and supremacy then you would not be afraid of anyone taking you over. Do you really believe the anecdotes that the US is still leader of the world? For all intents and purposes, your middle class is china's bitch for two decades now. But keep on pretending your government goes out into the world in the name of peace and prosperity for all.
You watched too many patriotic Hollywood war movies my friend. Take off your rose tinted glasses and stare reality in its face. If the US stopped exploiting the rest of the world all in the name of control and supremacy then you would not be afraid of anyone taking you over. Do you really believe the anecdotes that the US is still leader of the world? For all intents and purposes, your middle class is china's bitch for two decades now. But keep on pretending your government goes out into the world in the name of peace and prosperity for all.
Why is this even an argument? Stop pissing on USA and Canadian veterans! They are not military idiots!
It's all about context really. In this case I don't know the context (nor do I intend to spend more time here, since I'm not an American) so I withhold judgement. An apt comparison however is that bringing a Nazi uniform to a party is obviously inappropriate, whereas it's not inappropriate to make a historical WW2 movie with Nazi uniforms (or even a zombie movie).
Gettysburg is one of my all time favorite movies, btw.
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Simply, your belief is incorrect about your comparison of veterans to the rest of society in the United States.
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The Department of Veterans Affairs estimates that there are more than 19 million Americans who are veterans. Over 10,000 veteran offenders were in the custody of the Federal Bureau of Prisons at the end of 2019, accounting for almost six percent of all BOP inmates.
By the way...veterans have better employment than the general society. In addition, veterans have a higher wage earning than the general society plus veterans work in key infrastructure jobs more than the general society.
I'll post a few interesting statistics out of hundreds when comparing veterans to the general population...info that I have access to but I will share a few statistics that a fellow veteran (CEO of a Fortune 500 company and military buddy that I served with...we also knew each other in college) sent me recently to ask me a few questions about some numbers...
For what it is worth...the military sends more active duty soldiers to local universities near their military bases than any other job occupation that's not military...than the general population...as in the general society.
The same is true for active duty soldiers going to graduate school. It pays off big time when they exit the military and go back to civilian life.
Don't misunderstand, the military isn't perfect just like general society isn't perfect. I've seen some horrible shit in the military. I am frightened about some individuals that returned back to civilian life considering their military training backgrounds especially those that stayed in to later go to Iraq. The latter I have a close military friend...she's a photographer (college educated) and would share images with me that no one should see after her experience in War.
Also, I have military buddies from the worst part of life...from horrible situations that most people would have fallen victim to. It was the military that helped them in comparison to most that didn't get any help that did not serve their country.
A year ago, I looked up every person that served under me in my unit...all are employed even thru the Pandemic. Most have families except for a few. Most have children in college or preparing to go to college. Only one is in prison for a murder...a veteran that murdered his ex-girlfriend on campus...she was a PhD student.
A few are in law enforcement and one is the leader of his militia (I will not mention the state). One is a U.S. congressman although he did not serve under me...we remain in contact and I recently visited him & his family when I was on vacation in the United States for about month.
15% of my military buddies (U.S. Veterans) live abroad in another country outside of the United States due to a marital relationship...South Korea, France, Canada, Portugal, Spain and Brazil.
Last of all, although I have very close friends here in Canada (most are Canadian Veterans), home owners in major cities (not cheap)...I've not sat down to compare Canadian veterans to the civilian society of Canada.
I once had a neighbor next door that was a high ranking Canadian military officer that would drive a good distance to his base that he was stationed...we would have some very interesting discussions about the military and the politics of War...
Another story another day.
wrbtrader
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Canada had a major role in Normandy as did the UK. If we were to prorate by population, more then the US actually. France and the UK are aware even if some of you Americans aren't.
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I don't follow Canada's statistics for WWI, WWII, or any other War.
Yet, I do remember three particular statistics that stood out to me about WWII:
1) Here it may be well to note that Canada’s population is only about one-eleventh that of the United States at the time of the beach storming at Normandy, France. We have to multiply Canadian figures by eleven, therefore, to get the approximate American equivalent of Canada’s war effort.
2) Five-sixth of the Canadian military had volunteered to go to war. In comparison, 38% - 40% of the United States military were volunteers.
3) Canada declared War on Japan one day before the United States after the attack on Pearl Harbor.
Regardless, the landing of Normandy Beach was devasting to the allied forces although the United States and Germany suffered the most casualties.
I never thought about visiting Canada's War Museum in Ottawa, Ontario. One day I will.
In comparison, I've visited the United States WWII Museum down in New Orleans, Louisiana two times...once with my grandfather that served in WWII, and once with my old man when the museum opened its doors for the first time...about a year before my old man died and a few years before my grandfather died on my father's side of the family. Both of them are U.S. veterans and former military officers like I am.
Ignorant people degrade our veterans (you've seen one do such in this thread), some spit on them, even to this day but if someone takes the time to visit & talk to those that are still alive from the storming of Normandy, France...it's a welcome eye-opener.
- They'll leave their bullshit at the door before spewing it online.
They don't understand many of the freedoms they enjoy today are because of veterans.
wrbtrader
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Canada declared war on Germany fairly quickly and had a more natural alliance with the UK at the time ( and I guess Quebec with France ). By the time the US even entered the war the UK and Russia ( and misc allies ) were heavily into it. With respect to Normandy, Canada was an integral part of the plan and execution. Whether intentional or not, to suggest otherwise is revisionist in nature. Unfortunately, we get a lot of this these days as the US expects it's Allies to help out on various projects but many Americans ( and some leaders ) don't seem to appreciate it. Why were Canadian troops in Afghanistan ? Apparently they were needed.
On a broader note, this is a growing issue these days the spread of misinformation online and particularly in the US far too many people believing in bs. It's not healthy. It suggests the American school system has failed to some degree. Not a lot we as Canadians can do about it except marvel at the spectacle of it all and avoid as much of the fall out as we can. You'd think there are enough intelligent, forward thinking Americans to do something about it but it's not happening yet.
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