End Of The Free Markets Is Now!

Quote from Landis82:

My suggestion to you is that you need to take a class in "Reading Comprehension".

I stated one example ( that you even AGREED with ) where the market place has mistakenly been given a dangerous "free-pass" and you then extrapolated that into claiming that I am some sort of "interventionist" and supporter of regulation.

I never claimed anything of the sort.

Well, I am not an english native speaker and I am sure that your spanish is not as good as mine.

I feel free to write here my opinion, and I feel very sad when I see american traders asking for more regulation in their country. As for me the US should get rid of the FED. As simple as that

My suggestion to you is that you should go to Zimbabwe...

and mate, do not get angry and have a good day
 
Quote from manstein:

Well, I am not an english native speaker and I am sure that your spanish is not as good as mine.

I feel free to write here my opinion, and I feel very sad when I see american traders asking for more regulation in their country. As for me the US should get rid of the FED. As simple as that

My suggestion to you is that you should go to Zimbabwe...

and mate, do not get angry and have a good day

Unfortunately the markets that are completely unregulated tend to produce bubbles and when they burst it might be very painful for a lot of people. Imagine your car having only a gas pedal and no brake.
 
Quote from Landis82:

Once again, you find yourself talking in hypocritical "circles" with "twisted" logic that boggles the mind.

First off, it's pretty funny how you claim that leverage isn't the issue, yet you provide no example whatsoever of a "regulated" market place that allows 33:1 leverage and has gotten itself into trouble.

Moreover, you ironically talk about how leverage isn't the issue, but that the Fed was to blame for the kind of leverage that has been used.

So how can the Fed be blamed for the use of leverage, when ( according to you ) . . . "leverage isn't the problem" and does not create any "danger" in the marketplace?

Furthermore, are you trying to tell everyone here that all of this leverage was created by the Fed because they drove rates to zero??? When were all of these strategies employed? When were rates last at zero?

I look forward to your answer to the above 3 points that I just made.
Please enlighten all of us by being specific in your response.

Thank You.

First, you ducked every insistence to explain and defend your "too big to fail" mantra in the last Fed intervention debate.

Frankly, I think you're full of shit. Your posts contain the same half-baked logic and glossed-over talking points as the "tell-all" explainers written by the WSJ.

So, you want your questions answered. Okay. I'll be a good sport.

Your first question is stupid ignorance.

Cheap money ALWAYS creates fiat booms then busts.

Massive credit expansions create asset explosions and horrendous mal-investment. When rates are incrementally raised, those tenuous business models and investment schemes that burn cheap money go under, and the whole POP is underway.

So your first question is a red herring.

CHEAP MONEY - that spawns prolific leverage - always ends badly.

Your argument puts the cart before the horse.

And we don't need money @ 0% to be considered cheap. Pull a long term 30 year chart up. We're at historical lows.




Quote from Landis82:


Moreover, you ironically talk about how leverage isn't the issue, but that the Fed was to blame for the kind of leverage that has been used.

So how can the Fed be blamed for the use of leverage, when ( according to you ) . . . "leverage isn't the problem" and does not create any "danger" in the marketplace?

Reading comprehension isn't your strong point. We can all be sure of that!!

It was only at your incessant bitchings that I pointed out that "terribly destructive" leverage (BOO HOO!) was created by the Fed to begin with!!

I don't care about leverage one way or the other.

Its stable rates and FISCAL ACCOUNTABILITY that are the chief concern to any STABLE ECONOMY.

You want to solve monetary ineptness with more managerial authority.

You want endless bailouts when the whole system needs ACCOUNTABILITY to run efficiently!

You're either a closet socialist or a mindless armchair quarter-back who thinks he's got it all figured out.

Elites have tried to run economies for centuries. Its like predicting the weather. Too big to control.


What regulation IS NEEDED is that barring the sale or purchase of derivatives in which neither party controls an equivalent stake in the underlying.

That would mean all the exposure on credit default swaps - that you nary said a whimper of - would be eliminated to the tune of actual outstanding debt.

No domino's can fall at that point. No trillions compounded on trillions and banks blowing over like reeds in the wind.

Then, let the FUCKERS FAIL. And I'm sure a SOB like you will be holding CITI all the way down.

:cool:
 
I have trouble with bailouts, too.

Bailouts encourage big banks to take even MORE risks, as they understand that they have a net underneath their fiscal highwire acts.

The first GS that fails will ensure that banks after will think twice before selling someone who works at WMT a 300000 dollar home.

Best Regards
Oddi
 
But I have no problem with the FED regulating the bank's excessive lending practices that were the root of the current credit crisis in the first place.
 
Quote from gkishot:

But I have no problem with the FED regulating the bank's excessive lending practices that were the root of the current credit crisis in the first place.

But the answer is simple.

Make underwriters hold mortgage paper for a 5 year minimum before they're allowed to resell.

Simple. Done.

Anything more is a bold-faced power grab.

We're talking hundreds of pages of recommendations and actionables??

Its patently obvious this crisis has been turned on its head to consolidate Federal power and give broader authority to intervene and act whenever our Dear Leaders see fit!
 
Quote from oddiduro:

I have trouble with bailouts, too.

Bailouts encourage big banks to take even MORE risks, as they understand that they have a net underneath their fiscal highwire acts.

The first GS that fails will ensure that banks after will think twice before selling someone who works at WMT a 300000 dollar home.

Best Regards
Oddi

Exactly.

And thats how capitalism is supposed to work.

You take bad bets, you go under.

The whole financial system is built on a moral hazard.

The banks OWN the Federal Reserve system to begin with.

So they take on massive risk, write trillions in worthless derivatives, and if the market goes the wrong way....ooops!! We're too big to fail.

Lets just vote ourselves a few Trillion from the Fed to bail ourselves out.

Thats whats happening.

There isn't even a Chinese Wall for F's sakes.

Federal Government and Corporate America is a revolving door. The whole political system has been twisted and deformed to extract wealth for Big Business.
 
Quote from gkishot:

Unfortunately the markets that are completely unregulated tend to produce bubbles and when they burst it might be very painful for a lot of people. Imagine your car having only a gas pedal and no brake.

Excellent analogy.
 
Quote from manstein:

I feel free to write here my opinion, and I feel very sad when I see american traders asking for more regulation in their country. As for me the US should get rid of the FED. As simple as that.

If the FED is abolished, please tell me how and where capital formation takes place in order to provide a basis for capital investment, jobs, economic growth, etc.

Given that there is virtually no savings rate in the United States, where is capital formation suppose to come from . . . out of thin air???
 
Quote from TacTrader:

So what is wrong with states having to check the citizenship status of applicants?

Tacky listen, I have no problem with checking on citizenship, or whether there is a outstanding warrant for an applicant in another state for lack of payment on a parking ticket. Or whether they are in arrears for child support and are automatically hauled off to the bighouse. It's the cross check of "other information" that I take offense to.

That's where government crosses the line from being a government by the people for the people to becoming commonly known as "Big Brother" or rather a fascist state.

And why do you feel so inclined to try and insult me? My post was not aggressive, just pointing out my observations of 8 years of law enforcement....not a liquor store

Oh boo hoo, if I wanted to insult you I'd go right after your mother. Let me ask you something. Did I ever say you worked n a liquor store? Of course not. So why do you take offense? Do you mean to tell me you feel your position in law enforcement holds you above an honest clerk in a liquor store? If so then you need to examine your conscience and maybe go have a discussion with your priest.

Stop playing the role of the victim. Wake up and realize you're working for the man.

These are only words.

Just,
My two cents.
 
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