Emintrader trading system

Quote from Emintrader:
i need "daily"datas and "intraday" datas at the same time to be rigorous. So i needed to make manually a lot of test (many times !) and i find a 5% margin of error so my automated tests were really realists.
So if you are interested i can give you these results ? I have APPL for example while 18 years...

--> do you use daily data or intraday data to generate L5? I guess you only need daily data, is that right? if so, can you generate the L5 for those 5 stocks for 10 years, and send to my mail box? or can you give an example why human behavior can play into something like L5 which does not take account of the open price of tomorrow? many thanks.
 
I don't analyze human behavior. I analyze stock market behavorial. And behind stock market behavorial there is human behavior. That's what i would like to express in my previous post.

"what intrigues me about emintrade' L5 is that the entry price is always L5% higher than open. How does human behavior play into a number (here L5) regardless of the open price of tomorrow?"
-> If you change words "human behavior " by "Stock market" and if you get a response at this question, than you can find how i build my trading system

do you use daily data or intraday data to generate L5?
I use daily datas to generate my L5% values BUT i need daily datas and intraday datas to make a backesting at 100%

can you generate the L5 for those 5 stocks for 10 years, and send to my mail box?
Yes i can. later
 
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Quote from Emintrader:
i need "daily"datas and "intraday" datas at the same time to be rigorous. So i needed to make manually a lot of test (many times !) and i find a 5% margin of error so my automated tests were really realists.
So if you are interested i can give you these results ? I have APPL for example while 18 years...

--> do you use daily data or intraday data to generate L5? I guess you only need daily data, is that right? if so, can you generate the L5 for those 5 stocks for 10 years, and send to my mail box? or can you give an example why human behavior can play into something like L5 which does not take account of the open price of tomorrow? many thanks.

Hes using the same L5's% for the past few days, they havent changed if you take a peek at them.

I dont know if thats intentional or how he does it.

Hes simply taking a % based on O-H-L-C and some ATR and hes using the mean. most are 2-3%. 2% works as good as 3%, etc.

When the market gets too volatile, the %'s go up to 4-5%, when the market gets more stabile, less movement in the upcming summer months, the % will go down.

I dont think his system is rocket science. You can play with %'s until you find the right ones. The best part of his system, no indicators...
 
I think optimization is not a bad thing at all, of course you'll have to test it out-of-sample using a walk forward tests. With optimization you can make every rule work in the backtest, I know that all to well...

With the neural nets I try to find a rule and parameters that predicts the L5 equivalent which simply generates the most profit.

I am extremely curious wether the behavioural analysis of emintrader will give an edge if the markets change. I hope we can find out using backtests, at least if his method can be backtested, because waiting until the markets change may take some time....:) Until the system is not backtested properly we don't know, even emintrader doesn't, if the behavorioual system is stable under changing market conditions. What worries me is that the system sometimes generates quite substantial drawdowns.
 
Quote from laurentb:

I think optimization is not a bad thing at all, of course you'll have to test it out-of-sample using a walk forward tests. With optimization you can make every rule work in the backtest, I know that all to well...

With the neural nets I try to find a rule and parameters that predicts the L5 equivalent which simply generates the most profit.

I am extremely curious wether the behavioural analysis of emintrader will give an edge if the markets change. I hope we can find out using backtests, at least if his method can be backtested, because waiting until the markets change may take some time....:) Until the system is not backtested properly we don't know, even emintrader doesn't, if the behavorioual system is stable under changing market conditions. What worries me is that the system sometimes generates quite substantial drawdowns.

Right on. We have seen 3 months of trading though from him and his results are spot on. 50%-125%, almost 3x his starting point.

So far, minimal drawdowns. I think if it works in this environment, it will work in any.
 
Hi dafishman,

You can play with %'s until you find the right ones
NO

Hes simply taking a % based on O-H-L-C and some ATR and hes using the mean. most are 2-3%. 2% works as good as 3%, etc.

When the market gets too volatile, the %'s go up to 4-5%, when the market gets more stabile, less movement in the upcming summer months, the % will go down.
WRONG
 
Quote from Emintrader:

Hi dafishman,


NO


WRONG

You may say its wrong but I doubt it. You tried to cover up before and say there's behavior analysis, now its stock market analysis!

Maybe you can privately message some people and disclose a few tidbits so a proper backtesting can be done.
 
Until the system is not backtested properly we don't know, even emintrader doesn't, if the behavorioual system is stable under changing market conditions.
YES i KNOW...It is stable.

What worries me is that the system sometimes generates quite substantial drawdowns.
I don't find. Normal i would say but not "substantial"...YOUR system generate substantial drawdowns.
 
You may say its wrong but I doubt it. You tried to cover up before and say there's behavior analysis, now its stock market analysis!
You play with words...This kind of behavior doesn't interest me. Just result interest me and real result as i done on my elitrader journal. And yes it is behavorial analysis of stock market.
 
Quote from laurentb:

What worries me is that the system sometimes generates quite substantial drawdowns.

how do you know the system sometimes generate substantial drawdowns? based on emintrade's real time show, it performed quite well.
 
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