Election 2024 Foreplay

[TreeFrogTrader]

Foolish by DeSantis. I get he has to keep his head above water but long term this will cost him.

Well, he put himself out there so he will need to navigate it. That's for sure. If he is nimble he will modify it over to the "our support is not unlimited and we should be moving toward solutions" kind of rap. Which does or will have support by the time primaries come around.

Similarly Trump has put himself out there by saying that he would have given Russia (ie. Putin) a piece of Ukraine to prevent the full invasion. Okay fine. His campaign- not mine. I think he had a good rap going when he was just saying that Vlad would not have attacked if he were in office and that he would have worked out a deal with Putin. Not so pretty when he starts talking about what the deal would look like. I mean how the hell can you criticize Obama for giving up Crimea without a fuss, and then say you would voluntary give up the Donbass yourself in a similar situation. womp......womp.........as I said, his campaign, not mine.

 

[UsualName]

Well, he put himself out there so he will need to navigate it. That's for sure. If he is nimble he will modify it over to the "our support is not unlimited and we should be moving toward solutions" kind of rap. Which does or will have support by the time primaries come around.

Similarly Trump has put himself out there by saying that he would have given Russia (ie. Putin) a piece of Ukraine to prevent the full invasion. Okay fine. His campaign- not mine. I think he had a good rap going when he was just saying that Vlad would not have attacked if he were in office and that he would have worked out a deal with Putin. Not so pretty when he starts talking about what the deal would look like. I mean how the hell can you criticize Obama for giving up Crimea without a fuss, and then say you would voluntary give up the Donbass yourself in a similar situation. womp......womp.........as I said, his campaign, not mine.

Im kind of rethinking this a little. DeSantis could be betting the conflict might be winding down as the general election comes around and that would give him some attack ammo in terms of spending in the general while not bucking what is becoming the party line in the GOP. Of course all of this is political because supporting Ukraine is the right thing to do if you support America and freedom generally.

 

[TreeFrogTrader]

Im kind of rethinking this a little. DeSantis could be betting the conflict might be winding down as the general election comes around and that would give him some attack ammo in terms of spending in the general while not bucking what is becoming the party line in the GOP. Of course all of this is political because supporting Ukraine is the right thing to do if you support America and freedom generally.

Yes. As I said he can capture a piece of the pro-Ukraine sentiment by saying that we needed to help out but also capture some of the "anti" as we go forward by saying it needs to be capped. "Not unlimited- no blank checks" Are the operative words.

I use myself as a guinea pig. One can ask how I could support DeSantis (if he looks good over time) given his position and at the same time be fully supportive of stopping Putin. The answer is imbedded in your comment. ie. There is a rhythm to this. You can support blocking Putin in the time frame we are in but not support the "unlimited" "make Ukraine the 51st state" candidates. Don't be surprised if there are others thinking the same way. This thing needs to be wrapped up the election.

There is a caution there for Biden too. He will need to tidy his language up more than a bit too. To say "we will be there as long as it takes with whatever it takes" sounds ballsy today. Don't try that close to election time. Even two months from now it might start becoming difficult.

 

[UsualName]

Yes. As I said he can capture a piece of the pro-Ukraine sentiment by saying that we needed to help out but also capture some of the "anti" as we go forward by saying it needs to be capped. "Not unlimited- no blank checks" Are the operative words.

I use myself as a guinea pig. One can ask how I could support DeSantis (if he looks good over time) given his position and at the same time be fully supportive of stopping Putin. The answer is imbedded in your comment. ie. There is a rhythm to this. You can support blocking Putin in the time frame we are in but not support the "unlimited" "make Ukraine the 51st state" candidates. Don't be surprised if there are others thinking the same way. This thing needs to be wrapped up the election.

There is a caution there for Biden too. He will need to tidy his language up more than a bit too. To say "we will be there as long as it takes with whatever it takes" sounds ballsy today. Don't try that close to election time. Even two months from now it might start becoming difficult.

Yeah. Windsocks seem to come from florida, ehh?

As to being wrapped up by the election, we know Putin sees that too. So I kind of doubt we will have an end by then unless it’s much sooner.

As to people changing their minds based on time tables, in for a penny in for a pound, blood in blood out, etc, etc.

 

[TreeFrogTrader]

As to being wrapped up by the election, we know Putin sees that too. So I kind of doubt we will have an end by then unless it’s much sooner.

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The "end" will be a relative thing.

About like an end to the Korean conflict. Sort of an end. Sort of not. Yet, one should not get too cynical. Stopping the advance of North Korea and Putin at certain points is/was for the good.

Yeh. Winsock Charlie. Roger that.

 

[UsualName]

The "end" will be a relative thing.

About like an end to the Korean conflict. Sort of an end. Sort of not. Yet, one should not get too cynical. Stopping the advance of North Korea and Putin at certain points is/was for the good.

Yeh. Winsock Charlie. Roger that.

Its a good thing windsock Ron doesn’t have to deal with Russians dumping fuel on our drones and forcing them down because you know he is a run and hide kind of leader unless it’s a transgender woman then he is looking for a fight.

 

[TreeFrogTrader]

Its a good thing windsock Ron doesn’t have to deal with Russians dumping fuel on our drones and forcing them down because you know he is a run and hide kind of leader unless it’s a transgender woman then he is looking for a fight.

Well, we can agree that if Ron starts in trying to fight and/or eliminate transgenders and other perverts that that would eliminate a good portion of Camp Biden.

So yeah. They need to watch out.

 

[gwb-trading]

Yes. As I said he can capture a piece of the pro-Ukraine sentiment by saying that we needed to help out but also capture some of the "anti" as we go forward by saying it needs to be capped. "Not unlimited- no blank checks" Are the operative words.

I use myself as a guinea pig. One can ask how I could support DeSantis (if he looks good over time) given his position and at the same time be fully supportive of stopping Putin. The answer is imbedded in your comment. ie. There is a rhythm to this. You can support blocking Putin in the time frame we are in but not support the "unlimited" "make Ukraine the 51st state" candidates. Don't be surprised if there are others thinking the same way. This thing needs to be wrapped up the election.

There is a caution there for Biden too. He will need to tidy his language up more than a bit too. To say "we will be there as long as it takes with whatever it takes" sounds ballsy today. Don't try that close to election time. Even two months from now it might start becoming difficult.

Is Ron DeSantis Flaming Out Already?
The Florida governor has a plan to win the Fox News primary—and lose everything else.
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/a...position-gop-presidential-nomination/673392/?

Florida Governor Ron DeSantis has long sought to avoid taking a position on Russia’s war in Ukraine. On the eve of the Russian invasion, 165 Florida National Guard members were stationed on a training mission in Ukraine. They were evacuated in February 2022 to continue their mission in neighboring countries. When they returned to Florida in August, DeSantis did not greet them. He has not praised, or even acknowledged, their work in any public statement.

DeSantis did find time, however, to admonish Ukrainian officials in October for not showing enough gratitude to new Twitter owner Elon Musk. (Musk returned the favor by endorsing DeSantis for president.) On tour this month to promote his new book, DeSantis has clumsily evaded questions about the Russian invasion. When a reporter for The Times of London pressed the governor, DeSantis scolded him: “Perhaps you should cover some other ground? I think I’ve said enough.”

Even his allies found this medley of past hawkishness and present evasiveness worrying—especially because he was on record, in 2014 and 2015, urging the Obama administration to send both “defensive and offensive” weapons to Ukraine after the Russian annexation of Crimea. So last night, DeSantis delivered a more definitive answer on Tucker Carlson’s Fox News show.

DeSantis’s statement on Ukraine was everything that Russian President Vladimir Putin and his admirers could have wished for from a presumptive candidate for president. The governor began by listing America’s “vital interests” in a way that explicitly excluded NATO and the defense of Europe. He accepted the present Russian line that Putin’s occupation of Ukraine is a mere “territorial dispute.” He endorsed “peace” as the objective without regard to the terms of that peace, another pro-Russian talking point. He conceded the Russian argument that American aid to Ukraine amounts to direct involvement in the conflict. He endorsed and propagated the fantasy—routinely advanced by pro-Putin guests on Fox talk shows—that the Biden administration is somehow plotting “regime change” in Moscow.

(More at above url)

 

[Mercor]

GOP Nomination (CNN): DeSantis 39, Trump 37, Haley 7, Pence 6

 

[TreeFrogTrader]

DeSantis’s statement on Ukraine was everything that Russian President Vladimir Putin and his admirers could have wished for from a presumptive candidate for president.

Although this article conveniently did not mention it- and not-so-subtly questions his loyalty to the country with the alleged Putin bootlicking, DeSantis most likely will point out at some point that he is the only candidate amongst either the dems or the republicans who has served in the military. Having been a Naval Officer and Iraq War Veteran.

WOMP....womp....womp.

Also, to state the obvious, the article asks if he is flaming out but then does not present any reason to think that he is other than that he should be because they don't like him.

WOMP....womp....womp.