"Economy Worse Than You Think"... Mort Zukerman 7/13/2009

Quote from Scataphagos:

(Excerpt)

"... Next year state budgets will have depleted their initial rescue dollars. Absent another rescue plan, they will have no choice but to slash spending, raise taxes, or both. State and local governments, representing about 15% of the economy, are beginning the worst contraction in postwar history amid a deficit of $166 billion for fiscal 2010, according to the Center on Budget and Policy Priorities, and a gap of $350 billion in fiscal 2011.

Households overburdened with historic levels of debt will also be saving more. The savings rate has already jumped to almost 7% of after-tax income from 0% in 2007, and it is still going up. Every dollar of saving comes out of consumption. Since consumer spending is the economy's main driver, we are going to have a weak consumer sector and many businesses simply won't have the means or the need to hire employees. After the 1990-91 recessions, consumers went out and bought houses, cars and other expensive goods. This time, the combination of a weak job picture and a severe credit crunch means that people won't be able to get the financing for big expenditures, and those who can borrow will be reluctant to do so. The paycheck has returned as the primary source of spending.

This process is nowhere near complete and, until it is, the economy will barely grow if it does at all, and it may well oscillate between sluggish growth and modest decline for the next several years until the rebalancing of excessive debt has been completed. Until then, the economy will be deprived of adequate profits and cash flow, and businesses will not start to hire nor race to make capital expenditures when they have vast idle capacity...."

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I believe it's "worse than Zukerman thinks"...

The middle-class wage jobs we've lost to low labor cost countries will never, NEVER have the chance of returning to America until either (2) US implements strong protectionist policies... which will piss-off our trading partners... the ones we're dependent upon to buy our bloated debt, or (2) the $USD is devalued ENOUGH so that US workers are competitive with low-labor cost countries... BUT THAT WOULD MEAN BANKRUPTCY FOR NEARLY ALL AMERICANS...

No genuine relief in sight AT LEAST until the Boomers die off... 30-40 years?


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Robert Rodriguez has it together....

http://zerohedge.blogspot.com/2009/07/robert-rodriguez-there-is-no-god-given.html

This is worth listening to.....
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The major point being that although one can think of solutions that will work....it does not mean in any way that they will actually be utilized....particularly by a flawed political/corp. system....

One must become very very independent....
 
Quote from Ivanovich:

None of that matters. As long as the Great Illusion can continue, and people can drop their kids off at daycare, go to their 9-5, buy a six pack on the way home and American Idol is on when they get home, what difference does it make?

No one will care. You can post all these negative news reports, but the market still goes up!

you are right

which is why when the reality hits it will be like a nuclear bomb.

The illusion will continue until it doesnt..and then..pain.
 
The market will go up.

future INFLATION + other factors



Quote from lrm21:

you are right

which is why when the reality hits it will be like a nuclear bomb.

The illusion will continue until it doesnt..and then..pain.
 
Quote from fkbsuhites:

Bush Jr and his republican goons have succeeded in bankrupting the nation.

Bush and his neanderthal half-witted republican minions started off by bankrupting the nation morally and spiritually.

The "moral majority" turned out to be a small number of well organized child molesters, liars, thieves, and all around low lifes. The Christian right were busy taking gambling funds in one hand while preaching the Bible to the rest of us with the other.


TARP is a Bush Jr creation.

After nearly a decade long nightmare governed by these goons, they put the nail in the coffin by bankrupting the nation financially in Bush Jr's final months in office.

"too-big-to-fail" is another Bush Jr illusion.

In the last few unfortunate months of the monkey boys presidency, he gave his pal Paulson the green light to S T E A L from the middle class and give to the wealthy.

The half witted boy created the "too-big-to-fail" illusion as a last parting cluster Fk for the middle class population.


WOW - It's like you don't even live on the same planet as me. Or in the real world, based on actual facts.

Democrats: Clinton Admin. completely drops ball on National Security for 8 years - we get attacked by Bin Laden & crew, 9/11

Democrats: force Fannie/Freddie, abbeted by Greenspan 0% policy, to give "disadvantaged" Americans cheap access to homes they couldn't afford, lighting the fuse on the bubble. (Repealed Glass-Steigal) - Barney Frank & cohorts block all legislation to reign in Fannie/Freddie and demand minimum of 28% "less than Prime" loans for their constituents - forgetting the the american dream of homeownership is supposed to be earned, not an entitlement.

Democrats: Obama campains on tax cuts and jobs, renigs on both, steals 800 BILLION in so-called stimulus from taxpayers to give to Democrat pork special interests and political paybacks ***This is after he publicly promised to go through government spending "line-by-line" and "demand accountability" - he is the biggest lying sack ever to be in that office.

Democrats: passed a TRIPLING of national debt in new budgets/spending - so who is really bankrupting the country????

Democrats: have been in control of Congress for 2.5 years and have had 3 CHANCES to pass meaningful housing legislation - all 3 programs passed were completely lame and have only helped thousands, not the millions claimed - have handed multi-billion dollar "loan-modification" industry to Lawyers

Democrats: firing off Bill after Bill of growth killing, porkulus, job-killing, economy-squelching bureacracy, including a ridiculous new redundant consumer agency and socialized health care that will be the next Medicare nightmare if passed

Democrats: took over housing, mortgage system in worse shape than ever, Jumbo market dead, only low-end paycheck people can get loans, self-employed with assets and complex financed cannot qualify becuase all mortages now just like FHA.

If you can only look back to try and villify Bush and can't see the horrible damage that is being done RIGHT NOW, then you are a rabid fool and not living in reality.

You can fault Bush for a lot of things, but the current damage being done is 10 times worse.
 
Quote from slapshot:

WOW - It's like you don't even live on the same planet as me. Or in the real world, based on actual facts.

Democrats: Clinton Admin. completely drops ball on National Security for 8 years - we get attacked by Bin Laden & crew, 9/11

Democrats: force Fannie/Freddie, abbeted by Greenspan 0% policy, to give "disadvantaged" Americans cheap access to homes they couldn't afford, lighting the fuse on the bubble. (Repealed Glass-Steigal) - Barney Frank & cohorts block all legislation to reign in Fannie/Freddie and demand minimum of 28% "less than Prime" loans for their constituents - forgetting the the american dream of homeownership is supposed to be earned, not an entitlement.

Democrats: Obama campains on tax cuts and jobs, renigs on both, steals 800 BILLION in so-called stimulus from taxpayers to give to Democrat pork special interests and political paybacks ***This is after he publicly promised to go through government spending "line-by-line" and "demand accountability" - he is the biggest lying sack ever to be in that office.

Democrats: passed a TRIPLING of national debt in new budgets/spending - so who is really bankrupting the country????

Democrats: have been in control of Congress for 2.5 years and have had 3 CHANCES to pass meaningful housing legislation - all 3 programs passed were completely lame and have only helped thousands, not the millions claimed - have handed multi-billion dollar "loan-modification" industry to Lawyers

Democrats: firing off Bill after Bill of growth killing, porkulus, job-killing, economy-squelching bureacracy, including a ridiculous new redundant consumer agency and socialized health care that will be the next Medicare nightmare if passed

Democrats: took over housing, mortgage system in worse shape than ever, Jumbo market dead, only low-end paycheck people can get loans, self-employed with assets and complex financed cannot qualify becuase all mortages now just like FHA.

If you can only look back to try and villify Bush and can't see the horrible damage that is being done RIGHT NOW, then you are a rabid fool and not living in reality.

You can fault Bush for a lot of things, but the current damage being done is 10 times worse.

fkbsuhites is a delusional drunk with mental health issues.
 
Quote from fkbsuhites:

The market will go up.

future INFLATION + other factors

If you think inflation is going to save an economy with 65% factory utilization and plunging demand for discretionary goods; even gasoline and some necessities, you are seriously misled.

Inflation won't happen, and even if it does, it will only suppress equity values in what is the most structurally altered economy in at least 100 years.
 
inflation hmmmmmmmm maybe not. Hyperflation on the other hand, is a currency issue. how many trillion is the stimulus again?

How about stagflation?
 
Quote from moarla:

well, at least you have a president with an over the average intelligence, Bush had the intelligence of a cow

Yes, except he is a sociopath & patho liar who will destroy our country if left unchecked.

At least Bush acted on a conscience, even if not agreed with.
 
wrong.

Stocks are assets. As such, like with any asset, stocks will be bought as an inflationary hedge.

Unemployment rates could go to 100% and the stock market is STILL going to go higher.

Along with inflation there are other important macro trends that show stocks are headed higher. I don't care to discuss or give these trend data away for free.



Quote from ByLoSellHi:

If you think inflation is going to save an economy with 65% factory utilization and plunging demand for discretionary goods; even gasoline and some necessities, you are seriously misled.

Inflation won't happen, and even if it does, it will only suppress equity values in what is the most structurally altered economy in at least 100 years.
 
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