Economists Credit Trump as Tailwind for U.S. Growth, Hiring and Stocks

You can't be this stupid.

How many attempts of obfuscation are you going to try?

The deficit went up under Obama. Period. That is an unequivocal fact.

What was stupid about data? What was the obfuscation?

Show me your data which shows that deficits went up under Obama.

Stop lying and then calling them facts, this isn't a Trump cabinet meeting.
 
Good one!

Yes; the political propaganda was printed by many sources in differently formated charts.

Oh mighty conservative fountain of economic data, let's see your raw numbers and decide once and for all what you are blabbering about.
 
Fair enough but the structural debt is almost exclusively causd by liberals, name the conservative programs in both america and Canada causinf the debts, then tell me who caused them.

The debt from both countries is almost exclusively caused by left wing governance, this is not a right wing problem, its a lie to claim that.

No. The Bush tax cuts and now the Trump tax cuts made structural deficits. Don’t forget Bush inherited a nearly balanced budget and passed off a 1.2 trillion deficit to Obama, Obama halved that and Trump passed tax cuts that will increase deficits approx $150 billion a year, not including whatever spending he may increase.
 
1. first of all I have no complaints*.
I am just trying to make lefties discuss Obama's spending accurately. He still spent 7 trillion more than he took in...(along with Congress)

2. I see this way too much from lefties here.
they take what I wrote and act like they are teaching it to me.

I explained there was a difference between the debt and the deficit.

And. I explained the cumulative deficit increased 7 trillion under Obama. So seeing yearly deficits of 1.2 trillion down to 400 billion and then seeing rise back up to 600 trillion is fine but its still adding to our country's cumulative deficit. Its still spending more than we take in.

The use of the word structural deficit by you seems to be a distinction without a difference.

If Congress were to cap spending today... there is a strong possibility that revenues would exceed spending within a few years. Especially if the FED keeps printing money and creating inflation.

* As I said before I have no complaints with govt spending or deficits until the govt actually decides to figure out how much money the FED has been creating. (in fairness to hard working americans there should be no income tax until we figure out how much the FED is creating)

Don't you all think its odd we are talking about taxes and deficits... when the FED does not even report M3 to us anymore.

They could be creating more money then we even take in via income tax.

There might be zero reason for income tax other than to prevent competition for elites?

When I say structural deficit it means a long term negative balance. This means the budget passed from president to president, Year to year.

This is opposed to a short term imbalance through one time spending or emergency spending. Such as an infrastructure package like Trump is proposing or major disaster spending like a very bad hurricane season.
 
I know what you wrote and as I pointed out it made no difference. He had 8 years to fix the structure had he wished. had he wanted.

Lets be clear....

Obama added more to the deficit than any president in history.

https://www.thebalance.com/us-debt-by-president-by-dollar-and-percent-3306296



Barack Obama-- Under President Obama, the national debt grew the most dollar-wise. He added $7.917 trillion, a 68 percent increase, in seven years. This was the fifth-largest increase percentage-wise. Obama's budgets included the economic stimulus package. It added $787 billion by cutting taxes, extending unemployment benefits, and funding public works projects. The Obama tax cuts added $858 billion to the debt in two years.

Obama's budget increased defense spending to between $700 billion and $800 billion a year. Federal income was down, thanks to lower tax receipts from the 2008 financial crisis. He also sponsored the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act. It was designed to reduce the debt by $143 billion over 10 years. But these savings didn't show up until the later years.

George W. Bush -- President Bush added $5.849 trillion, the second-greatest amount.


When I say structural deficit it means a long term negative balance. This means the budget passed from president to president, Year to year.

This is opposed to a short term imbalance through one time spending or emergency spending. Such as an infrastructure package like Trump is proposing or major disaster spending like a very bad hurricane season.
 
I know what you wrote and as I pointed out it made no difference. He had 8 years to fix the structure had he wished. had he wanted.

Lets be clear....

Obama added more to the deficit than any president in history.

https://www.thebalance.com/us-debt-by-president-by-dollar-and-percent-3306296



Barack Obama-- Under President Obama, the national debt grew the most dollar-wise. He added $7.917 trillion, a 68 percent increase, in seven years. This was the fifth-largest increase percentage-wise. Obama's budgets included the economic stimulus package. It added $787 billion by cutting taxes, extending unemployment benefits, and funding public works projects. The Obama tax cuts added $858 billion to the debt in two years.

Obama's budget increased defense spending to between $700 billion and $800 billion a year. Federal income was down, thanks to lower tax receipts from the 2008 financial crisis. He also sponsored the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act. It was designed to reduce the debt by $143 billion over 10 years. But these savings didn't show up until the later years.

George W. Bush -- President Bush added $5.849 trillion, the second-greatest amount.

Right. Obama had 8 years to fix all the damage done by republicans which included 10% unemployment, $1.2 trillion deficit, a collapsed housing market, a collapsed auto industry, a stock market at 8,000, my personal favorite “FDIC” Friday’s where the fdic was going in banks once a week to manage their collapse, etc, etc, etc.

Yes, Obama was not able to fix the cataclysmic damage done by republicans and get us back to a balanced budget but he did make things much, much better.

We’ll see what Trump and the Republican Congress does. If the only ast predicts the future, hold on to your hat.
 
Oh yeah, the rock I've been living under. You know, my pseudo libertarian friend, that institution you so cheerfully cheerlead called the Federal Reserve is the most guilty organization by far in causing the aforementioned inequality catastrophe. By inflating assets, providing the rich a windfall, and penalizing savers and pensioners, they have contributed to the single biggest theft of our time in shifting wealth from grandma and grandpa to Wall Street, hedge funds and the rich. I am stating this from the side of the relatively well off, as one of the few percentage of people who actually own and benefit from stock prices.

But somehow it is all Trump's fault with passing a tax plan. Somehow, Trump has singlehandedly caused the massive disparity in wealth in the last 12 months or so, but Obama - who presided over the massive QE experiment of the last 8 years is blameless. As is your pal Janet and Bernanke.

If anything, at least Trump's plan gets money into the hands of the average person. It's not a lot, it's a flawed plan and most of the cuts go to the rich. I'm on record as stating that the tax plan is crap. But it's far better than the theft of the past decade of "emergency measures" at the Federal Reserve. What a joke.

This is why having a discussion with you is pointless. You're not honest. You're disingenuous. You're hypocritical. You push a narrative and pretend to care about the peasants because it is a popular view for you liberals.

But the rest of us know better.
you are giving the fed way to much credit. The fed, of course, played a critical role in allowing the crisis to occur in the first place. When it did occur, as we know, there were major bank failures and many smaller banks also failed. Because of our federal reserve system and the F.D.I.C, however, not a single mom or pop lost a dime from their savings and checking accounts; not single check bounced, even if drawn on a failed bank. And although many, especially younger home owners, lost their homes, millions more were able to stay in their homes when the fed keep variable rate loans from resetting higher, and facilitated refinancing at much lower rates. Mom and pop's retirement saving were protected and recovered in time for them to still enjoy their retirement.

Contrast that with what would have happened had the fed not reacted as they did. We'd have had a full on world depression with many seeing their retirement savings decimated to the point that they would never have recovered in time to help older and retired Americans. Now we are engaged in dismantling the safety measures put into effect after the crisis. We are still saddled with TBTF, however, and because we are going right back to the financial environment that caused the crisis, we will eventually see yet another crisis. It's fine to criticize the fed, but if you do you're obligated to suggest a better alternative to the actions they took once the crisis hit full force. We all know, in hindsight, what a better alternative would have been. Greenspan could have intervened to stop the abuses in mortgage lending.

The main concern now should be Congress not the fed. Bernanke has said that the fed's tools are not very effective in achieving the mandate Congress has imposed on it! Let us recognize that. Congress is the horse, the fed is just the cart. The fed is an all to ready scapegoat. If you want to see underlying faults you need look no further than the U.S. Congress and the fiscal side. Frankly, though the faults are shared among Republicans and Democrats, the sharing is not equal.

The Republicans are far more to blame than the Democrats. But I will give the Republicans this, they have learned how to capture the Federal government and bend it to their own selfish self-interests, and they have succeeded magnificently! They are excellent at shifting blame and false advertising. By comparison, the Democrats have been bungling idiots.
 
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1. In terms of actual dollars Obama had the largest deficit.

2. At least Reagan's spending on star wars in part caused the end of communism in the Soviet Union and the eastern block.
Plus his initiatives could help us knock down incoming missiles that Obama and Bush did not prevent from being developed.

https://www.thebalance.com/us-debt-by-president-by-dollar-and-percent-3306296



"Bush increased the debt 101 percent "


"Ronald Reagan: Added $1.86 trillion, a 186 percent increase from the $998 billion debt at the end of Carter's last budget"
 
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