Economis benefits of Imperialism and colonization

VicBee said:
I'm sure you all have heard the story of the African fisherman chatting with a western businessman? If not, here you go:

A western businessman wanders on the beach of an African nation, sees a fisherman sitting, staring at the sea, relaxed. The businessman is intrigued and asks why he isn't fishing? The fisherman says, I have already gone at sea and have sold my fish at the market; now I enjoy looking at the sea. Puzzled, the westerner pushes further and suggests he could still be at sea and catch more fish, to make more money! The fisherman looks at this foreigner and asks why would he do that? Confident, the businessman says, well, you spend more time at sea, you bring in more fish to sell at the market and now you're wealthier and can buy another fishing boat and catch more fish. You can hire a crew to work for you so you can relax and stare at the sea!
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You completely hijacked that story to fit whatever viewpoint you are trying to placard. That's NOT how the story went. The story didn't finish there but went on with the fisherman asking the westerner: "After I get rich, then what? What do I do then?" The westerner replied: "Well, you can retire and sit on a nice beach and relax all day." The fisherman smiled and said to the westerner: "But that's what I am doing now...". The moral of the story is not to point out the difference between the two cultures or how people adapt to their environment, no it's to point out the importance of work-life balance.

This has nothing to do with what people are used to or not. There is a basic level of human living conditions and health conditions and dignity that need to be preserved. You can just say we lived in caves millions of years ago so it's ok to live in caves today. We had a child mortality rate of over 50% before and we only lived until our 30s when we were cavemen so it's ok to have so high of a child mortality rate and die so young with the excuse that we are used to it. And just because people are living under absolute dictatorial regimes that don't allow them to even have a trace of thoughts that are different from those in power in fear of persecution doesn't mean that it's ok because people there are used to it and we shouldn't interfere and instead should support the dictatorial regimes that are in place.

VicBee said:
For those who don't know, the world doesn't want to be like America. People visit like they visit Disneyland. They used to come for the land of opportunity, the land where anyone could become anything if they worked hard enough. But that was 20 years ago. Today America is Karens, racism, violence, mass shootings. It's extremes going at each other, leaving no room for the America that once was.
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The thing is in many places, people don't know enough to know that they don't want to be like America. LOL Their access to information is so restrictive due to the heavy censorship and the restriction to travel put in place by the regime they really don't have enough information and are not able to obtain information for them to assess whether they want one political system or not. This is why two of the freedoms protected by the laws in the majority of democratically run societies are the freedom of information and freedom of mobility. When you don't even know enough about what's out there, and what's available, there is no way for you to know what you want and what's the best for you. The problem that you state about America exists everywhere. Does it necessarily negate the fact America is still the best place to be in the world? You won't know that until you have complete access to information and have actually lived in America. I mean there are still more people wanting to come to America than people wanting to leave America to live somewhere else.
 
Innervoice said:
Africa is a great example. The 2 countries in Africa that werent colonized were ethiopia and liberia. Both countries are violent and impoverished. The african countries that were colonized were in dramatically better shape than prior to colonization. However, after the colonies were given full infependence and turned over to the natives, the countries were ruined. Africa is a great example of a continent that REQUIRES colonization. Without it, they are lost.
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Why are you singling out Africa as a continent that need colonization. More than half the countries in Africa have a higher per capita GDP than the South American countries of Bolivia and Venezuela, and Nicaragua and Honduras in Central America. In fact, there are 9 African countries (Algeria, Botswana, Egypt, Equatorial Guinea, Gabon, Libya, Mauritius, Seychelles, South Africa) that have higher per capita GDP than not only China, but 5 European countries (Bulgaria, Croatia, Hungary, Poland, Romania).
 
OP has finally figured out how to racebait w/o getting too "political" for his threads to be moved. Only took him a few years and a dozen burner accounts.
 
European colonization vastly improved the countries they colonized. They were all primitive and violent area’s prior to colonization. After the europeans left look what happened despite all the infrastructure and everything else the europeans left to them; it was destroyed. South America is another great example. Look at the best countries in south america and those are the ones left with a lot of europeans or european influence. Contrast those countries with haiti.
 
Innervoice said:
European colonization vastly improved the countries they colonized. They were all primitive and violent area’s prior to colonization. After the europeans left look what happened despite all the infrastructure and everything else the europeans left to them; it was destroyed. South America is another great example. Look at the best countries in south america and those are the ones left with a lot of europeans or european influence. Contrast those countries with haiti.
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You just repeated your first post
 
Innervoice said:
European colonization vastly improved the countries they colonized. They were all primitive and violent area’s prior to colonization. After the europeans left look what happened despite all the infrastructure and everything else the europeans left to them; it was destroyed. South America is another great example. Look at the best countries in south america and those are the ones left with a lot of europeans or european influence. Contrast those countries with haiti.
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So what? What have you done other than bitch about it?
 
The problem with colonization is that the tiny benefits do not weight out the huge negative aspects...talking for the colonized country of course.

It already starts with a wrong gesture: attacking and taking over another country. Nobody wants to be ruled over.
 
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