Economical growth is taking and taking

I am still not convinced $$$ is the solution. If we ask a buddhist or a monk i am sure they will say it is just in our minds. We are slaves to our thoughts. When the most wealthiest, prettiest and most famous person has to eat Prozac then we are on the wrong path i think.

Why should we work harder and harder? Yes to get more $ and to make the company more competitive so it can sell more compared to other companies. Then the stock will rise and the boss can hire more staff and the countrys bnp rise.

But what´s the point in that in a world where we share and look inside instead of taking and taking?

But maybe we can keep the minis at least ;) Yes i´m a slave to. Maybe we all realize this when we are 99 years and see the clock gets closer to midnight. If ya know what i mean..
 
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I am still not convinced $$$ is the solution. If we ask a buddhist or a monk i am sure they will say it is just in our minds. We are slaves to our thoughts. When the most wealthiest, prettiest and most famous person has to eat Prozac then we are on the wrong path i think.

Why should we work harder and harder? Yes to get more $ and to make the company more competitive so it can sell more compared to other companies. Then the stock will rise and the boss can hire more staff and the countrys bnp rise.
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That's the beauty of capitalism. If you want to work and make money (fairly), you can. If you don't care much for money, you are free to work in non-profitable endeavors or be lazy (as long as you don't steal from others to fund your non-profitability).
 
Capitalism is fundamentally about keeping some people poor so that other economies can grow at a faster speed.
Competition might be good sometimes but not at any price.
 
I'm sorry Capitalism is based on CAPITAL, when it is based on huge DEBTS it is SOCIALISM leading at extremes to Nazism or Communism.

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Capitalism is economic freedom. Freedom to work. Freedom to consume. Freedom to invest. But I guess you are against freedom.
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I'm NOT for helping the poor/homeless. I am for them to BE ABLE TO WORK WITHOUT ANY HELP. And that is possible only in a TRUE ECONOMY not in a fake ECONOMY BASED ON FAKE MONEY because FAKE MONEY PRIVILEGES MONOPOLIES, TAXES, DEBTS, DESTRUCTION OF REAL WEALTH AND THE TRANSFERT FROM INDIVIDUAL/ENTREPRENEURSHIP PROPERTIES TO COLLECTIVITY : this is SOCIALISM !

And some would add UNLIMITED WAR FINANCING...

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I'm all for helping the poor/homeless.
But consider this...make it easy/good/simple for the poor and their number will double.

Also, if so many people are hungry how come nobody dies from hunger?
A lot of statistics are just plain bullshit.
Reminds me of some Hollywood movies where there's shooting everywhere but nobody dies.
btw, i'm speaking about usa only. I understand the situation is different in many poor countries with people dying of famine.

But at the same time many countries are more prosperous than ever.
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I'm NOT for helping the poor/homeless. I am for them to BE ABLE TO WORK WITHOUT ANY HELP. And that is possible only in a TRUE ECONOMY not in a fake ECONOMY BASED ON FAKE MONEY because FAKE MONEY PRIVILEGES MONOPOLIES, TAXES, DEBTS, DESTRUCTION OF REAL WEALTH AND THE TRANSFERT FROM INDIVIDUAL/ENTREPRENEURSHIP PROPERTIES TO COLLECTIVITY : this is SOCIALISM !
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Very true Harry.

There is a choice between economic freedom and equality. I'd choose freedom. I am originally from a poor rural town. Most people from larger cities don't realize how those on welfare systems operate. I know young women who have purposely had another child to increase their welfare check. The first big screen T.V. I ever saw was in1986 in the living room of an out of work logger living in an expanded trailer. Here in Porland we have this nutcase that stands outside of Borders downtown. He stands there all day rocking back and forth smoking cigarette butts. I have never seen him with a change of clothes. But, appearantly, he has enough money to buy a Subway sandwich several times a week, complete with a large soft drink. I have never met a happy poor family.

You can wish all you want about a world sitting squat-legged listening to some sacared cow and finding your center, but it will never happen.

By the way, if you research the history of capitalism, you'll find that it is based on religion. Protestants were the pioneers of capitalism, founded on an disagreement with the catholic church. They felt the best way to serve God was to reinvest their earnings into their community.
 
Harrytrader wrote:

"I'm NOT for helping the poor/homeless. I am for them to BE ABLE TO WORK WITHOUT ANY HELP. And that is possible only in a TRUE ECONOMY not in a fake ECONOMY BASED ON FAKE MONEY because FAKE MONEY PRIVILEGES MONOPOLIES, TAXES, DEBTS, DESTRUCTION OF REAL WEALTH AND THE TRANSFERT FROM INDIVIDUAL/ENTREPRENEURSHIP PROPERTIES TO COLLECTIVITY : this is SOCIALISM ! "



Yes that is a good idea of course. But it takes moral just as with my sharing world.
In a free market without moral people are gonna be eploited.

And if we all had enough of that we probably would already realize that capitalism is useless.

"I won´t give you this piece of bread because you gotta learn how to take it from others first" Nooooo wayyyy!!
 
It is NOT A FREE MARKET that's THE PROBLEM it is a MARKET controlled by GOV/CENTRAL BANKS/BIG CORPORATES :). Corporatism is the first step to national socialism according to a knowledgeable man in the matter: Mussolini. And the control of Money by a Central Bank is one of the main points in Karl Marx. US central bank has been passed under Wilson a socialist government. Of course Socialism is just a pretext (in fact President Wilson was forced by a lobbying to do so and he much regrets after) to make people adhere it is not really the socialism that people expect when it turns later to be something else like nazism or communism once they get the full power. Then it's very late to react: imagine if we haven't won World War II ?

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Harrytrader wrote:

"I'm NOT for helping the poor/homeless. I am for them to BE ABLE TO WORK WITHOUT ANY HELP. And that is possible only in a TRUE ECONOMY not in a fake ECONOMY BASED ON FAKE MONEY because FAKE MONEY PRIVILEGES MONOPOLIES, TAXES, DEBTS, DESTRUCTION OF REAL WEALTH AND THE TRANSFERT FROM INDIVIDUAL/ENTREPRENEURSHIP PROPERTIES TO COLLECTIVITY : this is SOCIALISM ! "



Yes that is a good idea of course. But it takes moral just as with my sharing world.
In a free market without moral people are gonna be eploited.

And if we all had enough of that we probably would already realize that capitalism is useless.

"I won´t give you this piece of bread because you gotta learn how to take it from others first" Nooooo wayyyy!!
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From Milton Friedman
"One unsolved economic problem of the day is how to get rid of the Federal Reserve"

http://minneapolisfed.org/pubs/region/92-06/int926.cfm

to Kenneth galbraith:

The Economics of Innocent Fraud
by John Kenneth Galbraith (liberal economist so as you can see two eminent economists agree although at opposite political sides whereas the intellectual prostitutes that work for bankers/corporates/big gov political parties and syndicates lie in medias so that people completely lose their common sense)

Kenneth Galbraith has been at the center of the American economy since before the First World War. In this his new book, he offers a distillation of these years in both the public and the private sectors, the academy and the government, and explains where we are and how we got there. Galbraith argues that inherent in our economic system is a continuing divergence between reality and "conventional wisdom," or as he puts it self-serving belief and contrived nonsense, or "fraud." He contends that we observe the current state of the nation in a cloud of myth, believing that stockholders and owners run our corporate world. In reality, it is the management of giant corporations that controls not only the private sector, but also the public sector, too, from politicians, to the Federal Reserve Bank, to the Pentagon.

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It is NOT A FREE MARKET that's THE PROBLEM it is a SOCIALIST MARKET controlled by GOV/CENTRAL BANKS/BIG CORPORATES :)
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