Econometrics and practice

Quote from DT-waw:

I've posted similar questions on Wilmott forum, but I didn't get what I wanted. Maybe ET'ers will know more.

Do you know of any trading system (excl. arbitrage) and it's historical hypothetical or real performance on most popular markets (futures, stocks, forex; in 1-30 min. intervals) based on GARCH, ARIMA, Bayesian analysis, Kalman filtering? I wonder whether these tools can outperform classic technical analysis tools. There's a lot of academic research on these models, however their robustness in the real trading isn't described.

I found some research by Olsen http://www.olsen.ch/research/workingpapers/319_real-r1.pdf but it only deals with FX 1990-1996 and trading costs aren't specified. Performance is poor when compared to equity futures systems. Somewhere on the internet I found that Mr. Pierre Lequeux made performance analysis on Dax and Nikkei, but I can't find these papers via google, many pdf's are written in french.

When academic people apply econometric methods into the financial data series, their conclusions are always related to volatility or many statistical properties. I would like to see simple figures like P&L, drawdowns, Sharpe ratio, profit factor...

This is as close as I can come to finding an answer for your question. It shows the actual economic return of several Garch variants compared to historical returns and compared to an exponential moving average. The markets covered include energy and metals, currencies and U.S. equity index and interest rates. Short *.pdf file of 15 slide-like pages.

http://cisdm.som.umass.edu/resources/pdffiles/Georgiev CISDM 2003.pdf
 
Thank you. His analysis shows that forecasting volatility using Exp. Weighted MA can produce higher return with the same St. Dev. than using GARCH. There're no details how he calculated this.
 
Quote from G_Morgan:

Funny stuff...

I'll assume you've had your drink for the evening and are enjoying yourself...if a system is predictable i.e. a cyclical market then what does that mean?

It means that if you know the variables that control the transitions from one state of the market to another state, in other words if you know what creates the cycles, then the market is just a mechanical process and like a mechanical process, the market can be predicted. There is no choice involved, because market states result from parameter changes in the controlling variables.

Well, if that is the case then it is already determined what the market will do tomorrow, doesn't it?

Not exactly. The market may be a mechanical process and may in some ways be predictable. However, because it is affected by so many variables it produces random, unexpected behavior from time to time. This wreaks havoc with prediction.
 
Quote from DT-waw:

Thank you. His analysis shows that forecasting volatility using Exp. Weighted MA can produce higher return with the same St. Dev. than using GARCH. There're no details how he calculated this.

Are you sure? On page 5 he describes how ARCH processes are used. He compares (through regression) the results of a statistical analysis of the historical variance (volatility) of returns to the returns predicted by both techniques.

To do the same thing all you or I would have to do is find a set of closing prices, calculate the difference from day to day and use that as our 'return series'. All page 5 is saying is that once you have that series all you have to do is find the average of the series over so many days then compute the standard deviation over the same time frame for all the different models. Do that for all models for a number of different time frames. Once that is done, compare the models' results for all the time frames. Each model will produce a curve based on that model's average and standard deviation for different time frames. Use a linear or other regression calculation to find the difference between the predicted value and the historical value. If the level of significance is fairly low, as it appears to be in most cases, then we can reject the hypothesis that modeling has little economic impact.

Looking to the charts...if for each data point you divide the standard deviation by the expected return the result is called the coefficient of variation or volatility at that particular point on the efficiency frontier. Ideally, what you want is "money for nuthin' and chicks for free". But, since you aren't, probably, going to get that it is best to get the highest return for the level of volatility in returns or "sigma" (he mentioned on page 5) you are willing to tolerate.

I think I've got that covered. Hopefully, there aren't any mistakes. If you find some, please let me know.
 
In one month I will begin to create a dozen short lessons on classical time series so as to demystify them and show when they are suitable or not.

Quote from harrytrader:

The very basic reason why stock market time series are reputed to be one of the most difficult arena of forecast is because these classical time series techniques don't work, mathematically these techniques are based on autocorrelation of errors since these autocorrelations are very low in stock market time series they are not worth at least used in traditional way. Now low autocorrelation is not equivalent to independancy, it has been showned for a long time since Mandelbrott that the Market exhibits "long term memory effect" so that the latest kind of stochastic model taking into account that effect is ARFIMA's model. But the performance still is poor. All in all I say it is an error to use stochastic models to do market's forecast because only a deterministic model can do it (ie mine of course :D), the problem is to find it and the reason that researchers didn't find it is because they try to extract knowledge from pure datas which is an idiocy from paradigm point of view because the model's knowledge is transcendant to the datas that is to say you cannot deduce it from the datas alone but only if you have the idea of how market really works or you will play with datas and stochastic models much like a monkey see:
http://www.elitetrader.com/vb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=28614

ANNs (Neural Net): A Little Knowledge Can Be A Dangerous Thing
http://www.secondmoment.org/articles/ann.php

ANNs: A Little Knowledge Can Be A Dangerous Thing
Posted by Dr. Halbert White
 
Quote from harrytrader:

In one month I will begin to create a dozen short lessons on classical time series so as to demystify them and show when they are suitable or not.

Harry,

Great idea! ET is finally going to have a worthy successor to Jack, Bubba & Grob.

P.S. Try to squeeze in a few of those flashy colored graphs.

:D
 
Here's a company which develops econometric models http://www.ht-ag.com/ Go to "trading area" > "performance chart". Commissions for non-eurex members can eat up to 12% of their strategy profits. Company states that there won't be any slippage. Substracting 1 tick per round turn would result in ~3/5 less profits. Click "Mathematical Expectations" - so far, real results differ much from expected...

Hmmm I think it won't be any problem with developing a system without econometrics which beats X-ROI assuming zero slippage&commissions.
 
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