Earn2Trade Founder Charged With Fraud

That is the pot calling the kettle black. You have been attacking our business model and us directly for as long as I can remember. I've answered all of your repeated questions and criticisms time and time again. Apart from questions where you ask us to expose our revenue structure or other intimate details I am not privy to, I have answered you forthrightly and honestly always. Even when you ask us for information I cannot give I tell you simply that I cannot give it to you.

Your attacks on our business model have never ceased. The unfortunate situation regarding our former co-founder, which had nothing to do with our business provides you with more fodder to dig up the same arguments you make again and again. When an individual who is unfamiliar with our business model appears, or someone raises a question, you are surely there to cast your aspersions. This representative has always been on the front foot with you traderjo.
I knew you will attack me personally... there are others here who have called your operations scam! I wounder if you will attack them personally like this also? or take them to court!
-I never called you or other business like yours SCAM or Illegal
- I even agreed that for those who can pass these tests with minimum outlay it might be worth it
All are free to support an opinion expressed by others.. some support you some post same logic as I have ..
There are certainly questions about this business model when you look at how the true Props firms behave, you dont see
By attacking like this you are not achieving anything positive that for sure..

You could not even answer the notional value of account question asked by me and others..
This question is not about "expose our revenue structure or other intimate details"
any way carry on there are enough suckers in the world for the hamster wheel
dont bother replying
Your business model is not only great for you but the best things that ever happened since invention of sliced bread!
 
You have signed contracts - then you have a recourse. Doesn't mean you'll get your money back but you can track and go after. Some company from prauge ? - forget about it.
I agree... trying to do that in Prague! also there could be class action! if enough people are involved
 
I knew you will attack me personally... there are others here who have called your operations scam! I wounder if you will attack them personally like this also? or take them to court!
-I never called you or other business like yours SCAM or Illegal
- I even agreed that for those who can pass these tests with minimum outlay it might be worth it
All are free to support an opinion expressed by others.. some support you some post same logic as I have ..
There are certainly questions about this business model when you look at how the true Props firms behave, you dont see
By attacking like this you are not achieving anything positive that for sure..

You could not even answer the notional value of account question asked by me and others..
This question is not about "expose our revenue structure or other intimate details"
any way carry on there are enough suckers in the world for the hamster wheel
dont bother replying
Your business model is not only great for you but the best things that ever happened since invention of sliced bread!



The way I see these "Pay2Play" funding companies is this...regardless of what you think about them, they are legit in the sense that if you are a good risk management trader who gets through the evaluation --- then you have a really good chance to make some serious trading profit with no risk yourself.

They "will" pay you your 80% cut. That has never been in dispute.
 
The point is --in either case - USA or Prague or other countries
that you are not getting your money back if any of these firms abscond with profits you are owed from your funded account

Prague, UK and other countries outside US: logistically impossible/unrealistic to sue in Prague or UK if you are US

US based companies: pretty much a circle jerk. You are not getting your money back in this case either, sure you have a signed contract and "could" sue but in the end you will spend more in attorneys fees than you are owed so you have accomplished nothing except to spend the same amount of money (or more) that you are owed by the US firm that absconded with your money. Not to mention the years of time trying to litigate and the countless hours of stress constantly paying out money to lawyers who are all to happy to keep the billable hours machine rolling ahead on your tab for as long as they can possibly stretch it out

Sure how much do you think its going to cost to sue an overseas company ? Lmax is a UK based, not US. I'll give you a hint - way more than $5K.

US laws are clear if you're a US person - i rather choose the path of least resistance.
 
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The point is --in either case - USA or Prague or other countries
that you are not getting your money back if any of these firms abscond with profits you are owed from your funded account

Prague, UK and other countries outside US: logistically impossible/unrealistic to sue in Prague or UK if you are US

US based companies: pretty much a circle jerk. You are not getting your money back in this case either, sure you have a signed contract and "could" sue but in the end you will spend more in attorneys fees than you are owed so you have accomplished nothing except to spend the same amount of money (or more) that you are owed by the US firm that absconded with your money. Not to mention the years of time trying to litigate and the countless hours of stress constantly paying out money to lawyers who are all to happy to keep the billable hours machine rolling ahead on your tab for as long as they can possibly stretch it out

Agreed. The lawyers fees alone wouldn't be worth the few thousand they may owe you if you are successful.
 
Well do you mean Helios with this statement:

"The prop firm behind E2T was sold by Ryan as well"




Hello Juni085,

The prop firm behind E2T was sold by Ryan as well, and accounts are currently still being serviced through the Prop firm. Earn2Trade is also exploring additional prop firm options to maintain a high level of service for candidates.
 
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Better wording than mine
 
Yep - time to just give it up traderjo
Its very obvious to objective clear thinking individuals what these firms do and why they do it and that they are not changing their model.... no matter what you say to them on this board even if hundreds of other traders agree with you on this board. The only way they will ever possibly change their model is if the are under monetary pressure to do so because another company introduces a new tryout and funding program for aspiring traders that is directly eating into a substantial enough chunk of their market share and they see their cash flow seriously eroding as people flock to something that is clearly better.

Right now that better deal doesn't really exist---the reason why it doesn't exist might be because the only way to make decent money in the tryout and funding traders business is to unfortunately just do what the existing firms do now and the same math that they do as well----- so in that sense if you want to start a new tryout company and funding company for traders - if you want to make a profit you may just have to pretty much replicate what everyone else is doing if you want to make any money at it and then try to gain an edge with better marketing, promoting and service and perhaps giving away at no additional charge things that some of the other firms charge for like educational materials, training and other stuff

You have to do enough research to see if there is a substantially better way to offer tryouts and funding to Traders that offers a better value to Traders in the tryout phase and also provide a mathematically superior funding program for the Trader to make a better living on if they pass and are funded
--- all while:
a) creating a tryout that is still pretty hard to pass so you are getting people that appear to have some trade ability
b) running a scaleable, sustainable profitable business model

As far as technology and data Most of these firms use Rithmic, some use Tradestation and some use Tradovate.

Traderjo - perhaps your time would be better spent coming up with a much better solution that offers the trader more value than what Topstep, Earn2Trade, FTMO or any of the other companies in this business currently offer.

contact Rithmic Data
contact TradovateTechnologies https://www.tradovatetechnologies.com/api
contact Tradestation

All the technology to run this type of company is out there already - it really comes down to coming out with a better solution that customers (traders) like much better than what FTMO, Topstep and E2T and others offer, having decent funding and a good business plan to grow the company to consistent profitability, and doing some very good marketing and PR

So traderjo (or any other people out there that believe these companies could and should offer something better) spend some time doing some meaningful research to put your own deal together that is better than what the existing companies offer and grab your own share of the market


Yer spitting into the wind, man.
 
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