E-mini protection using puts

Quote from stephenszpak:

Quote from richardyu301

So if I long ES at 1200 and buy a ES put at 1100. It still doesn't guarantee that I will lose 100 pt at most UNLESS the option premium totally reflect the underlying assets value.

The way I understood it, is that a large and fast move in the
underlying will always increase the option's (option premium's)
value. So if correct, you have a better, not worser chance of
at least breaking even on all this.

Just a guess,

Stephen Szpak

A little more from Stephen Szpak:

http://www.investopedia.com/terms/v/vega.asp

Also more from:

http://www.oasismanagement.com

Vega - Is the measure of change in an option given a change in the volatility. Theoretically, it measures the instantaneous change in premium to the instantaneous change in volatility. In practice, it tends to be viewed as the change in premium given a 1 percent in volatility.

Vega Risk - Refers to the monetary exposure for a change in volatility for an option. It might refer to a change from 6 to 7 or 6 to 5 percent depending on whether a party is short or long the option. Some participants breakdown the vega risks into finer gradients or decimals.


Don't ask me about the above. Not competant in such.

See Market Wizards pages for what happened to puts and
calls in the 1987 crash:

page 400 t0 401:

partial excerpt:

interviewer: You were basically buying more volatility.

trader: It was the best thing I could have done. The next
day they didn't know what they wanted more of:
Half the world wanted puts, and half the world wanted
calls.

interviewer: But everybody wanted volatility.

trader: That's when the register really started ringing. It was
the day that the sun was so close to the earth that
everybody needed zinc ointment, and I was the only
guy that had some left.

Also of note: "...the option premiums consisted almost entirely
of intrinsic value; the market wasn't giving them
any time value premium. Given the enormous
market volatility, I thought that was crazy.

See Market Wizards about the 1987 crash it self ,if you have
access to the book::::

pg 58 top paragraph
pgs 268 to 269

Just a few comment to keep things going here. Look forward
to comments from anyone on any of the above.

Stephen Szpak
 
Gentlemen

"Option market making" -Alan Baird/Market Maker/

You find some some about your questions .

Operator/Stephen/ will hedge intraday e-mini position with options on e-mini for high volatile movement .

a.Synthetic asset long future, short call,long put with
equal strike price , independent from underlying

or reversive -short futures,long call ,short put


b. More risky - Fence long future ,short call ,long put
whre call and put have different strike ,depend from
risk ,which accepted from operator

and reversive


Gamma scalping
 
IF U R THAT PARANOID ABOUT TRADING LOSS, ALWAYS TRADE 1 EMINI CONTRACT AND PLACE A 5 POINT STOP. SLEEP WELL ....UNLES U DREAM UP SOMETHING ELSE TO WORRY ABOUT...IF U WORRY SO GREATLY, DON'T TRADE...BUY A STOCK AND HOLD IT WITH BUYING SEVERAL CHEAP LEAP PUTS...SLEEP WELL...
 
To Porgie


Dear Sir

you wrote 1 e-mini,place stop 5 points and sleep well ...

It is false .

floatin risk with minimum 50 $ + t.k.

1 e-mini,1-point stop for ES , 0.5 for ERT ,2.5 for EN


All position closed until 22.15 .No exception ...
 
Quote from milstar:

Gentlemen

Sorry 22.15 in last e-mail is equal 3.15 p.m. Chicago

22.15 if this is in 24 hour time then 3.15pm equals 15.15 Chicago time

fwiw
:)

Have a great trading day.

Bsulli
 
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my 1 contract and 5 pt stop was just a suggestion for someone who is concerned about the sky falling at any moment....who also should not be trading until that psychological issue is resolved...
 
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