Dude, Are you still trying to trade trends?

Trends exist, people get too focused on just price data and "charts" and such and don't really understand the mechanics. The best trends are where you have an imbalance that will create a vicious (virtuous) cycle, that as price tries to move to balance it, it becomes more imbalanced.

For example:

The collapse in Oil.
There began a supply imbalance, too much investment, shale, blah blah blah.
Now we have supply>demand glut.
But wait, as prices fall, suppliers actually INCREASE their rate of production trying to keep their heads above water (the correct action would be of course to DECREASE production, but that wouldn't work for them given the structural overbuild/over investment/marginal profitability).

So then you have: Price goes lower, supply goes higher, demand stays the same, and that loop continues until suppliers are blown completely out of the water.

THAT is a trend, it will manifest itself in price action, people with dumb automated systems may catch it eventually, but someone like a Soros understands what drives price and understands how market structure can create huge moves, and then trades accordingly. I doubt he is getting chopped up in a MA crossover or Donchian breakout system on some market where there is no sustainable imbalance.

People who say there are no trends = idiots
People who say there are trends and try to trade them via price action on a 5m chart = basically idiots
People who identify scenarios in which there is a sustainable imbalance = $$$$$$
 
...THAT is a trend, it will manifest itself in price action, people with dumb automated systems may catch it eventually, but someone like a Soros understands what drives price and understands how market structure can create huge moves, and then trades accordingly. I doubt he is getting chopped up in a MA crossover or Donchian breakout system on some market where there is no sustainable imbalance...

Here we are again, with George Soros. What does he have to do with daytrading again, exactly? He's the guy that bet against the BOE or something, made a ton of money? Billions? That was not daytrading. Stop bringing him up since it is irrelevant?
 
Plus G.S doesn't mention "Trends" in any of his book. What he talks about is reflexivity. But he admits that it's not his theory that made him money. But its ability to adapt.

There is a world btw positive feedbacks and someone buying the price nearing a trendline.
 
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Here we are again, with George Soros. What does he have to do with daytrading again, exactly? He's the guy that bet against the BOE or something, made a ton of money? Billions? That was not daytrading. Stop bringing him up since it is irrelevant?

Day trading and trends don't belong in the same sentence. I merely mention Soros as other people were discussing him earlier in the thread, and I believe he is someone who understands trends quite well, whatever term he happens to use for them.

Daytrading is about order flow and program trading, that's it. If you aren't HFT, and if you don't have some edge related to order flow, and your timeframe is short, you are going to get smoked. Not if but when. Come back to me in 10 years and prove me wrong.
 
...If you aren't HFT, and if you don't have some edge related to order flow, and your timeframe is short, you are going to get smoked. Not if but when. Come back to me in 10 years and prove me wrong.

So if one does not fit your parameters above (underlined by me), they cannot trade a trend? Why does a trend have to be really long-term? Can't it be short?
 
Can someone please show TD yesterday's CL chart starting at 10:30 AM ET, and show the short-term down-trend and then up-trend that occurred within 2 hours? Trend-channel breaks and whatnot? I would but my trading PC if off, and I am le' tired.
 
Let me get this out of the way.. There's nothing wrong with trading trends, but when you make that your primary weapon, then you will most likely never become a full time trader.. Why? Because trends are just one way the market behaves.. It doesn't make any sense if you only do good with trends and don't do good when the market ranges.. All of your profits will disappear when the market is choppy..

If you want to day trade (not long term investing) then trends are not the only thing you should be focused on.. For all the guys that aren't successful, here is your homework for today.. Study consolidation (tight range), reversals, breakouts, and Wide ranges. Once you get a little good at that, then start drawing levels on your chart.. Your levels will be at the breakouts, and where price recently reversed at.. You can even draw levels at the previous low/high from yesterday (I use the 5 min chart to day trade)..

Then I want you to wait until price hit those levels.. And then I want you to study how price reacts to the levels.. Write down the patterns that you see at those levels and then do some backtesting.. If you keep on doing this for months and months, then I don't see why your trading shouldn't improve..

I'm a full time trader.. Nothing else.. For all of you guys that don't think trading full time isn't possible, well I'm here to tell you it is.. I actually met another full time trader the other day at the basketball court (trading for 20 years) and he trades millions of dollars.. So i don't understand why people think that trading full time a myth...

When I became a level trader, that's when everything change.. It's to the point when I see a key level that I like, I just put a limit order at that level.. And levels could be either horizontal or trend lines.. Please study key levels on your chart..

Here's a quote from nodoji that i like:

"A pure price action trader trades off key price levels. Nothing else is needed other than the ability to look at a chart and see prior levels that will be defended. The defense will either succeed or fail. Statistical analysis is the tool for determining how far to let price run against you before the odds of price reaching a particular profit target diminish into negative expectancy.

Only support and resistance levels are needed by a pure price action trader to determine risk:reward parameters for trades and these levels can be found on a chart that displays nothing but price bars."

How did you even prove to yourself that charting works but not just you imagine it works?
 
How did you even prove to yourself that charting works but not just you imagine it works?

Is this a trick question? And I'm not joking either... You will know if something is working when you start to see profits.
 
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