Drug testing to get welfare

Quote from Free Thinker:

i think the people of arizona said yes to this one already.

I asked you. Just want to know how "Free" you really are.
 
Quote from Crispy:

I asked you. Just want to know how "Free" you really are.

i would say no to that. my ability to think tells me that an illegal driving down the road is not a danger to others but a drunk or drugged driver is.
that being the case its is for the good of innocent bystanders that impaired drivers are removed from the road by whatever means is effective.
 
Quote from Free Thinker:

i think its a good idea. if you are on welfare you shouldnt be on drugs.
i would not stop there. i would test when getting a drivers license, when getting a job, anytime you have an accident, when you get a gun permit and i would support setting up roadblocks for random testing.
my state does random road checks for drunk driving and i support it 100%. why not drugs too?


ah yes the ole totalitarianism is freedom shtick.
 
Quote from Tsing Tao:

I don't do drugs, therefore I don't care who tests me for drugs. But in this particular case, if you're going to expect a government payment because you are in poverty, then you should be required to prove compliance with the law. I see nothing wrong with it.

It's not like they're saying that everyone who gets welfare has to prove they have a good singing voice.

I don't do drugs anymore either. Haven't since the 70's, but that isn't the point. Once you open the door you're asking for trouble. Uncle Sam wants more control of our lives, not less. I don't see how anyone can call themselves a smaller government libertarian, and support drug testing for welfare, employment or anything else. There are more effective ways to control who is scamming the system, but those ideas won't provide the knee jerk, dog whistle politics we currently have in place. Good government requires more thought, effort, and yes money, than we as a nation are willing to put into it.
 
Quote from Free Thinker:

your freedom ends when you act in a manner that is dangerous to responsible people.
Supposedly responsible people like you are dangerous to everybody else minding their own business.

Because you are exactly the type to wear a swasika, brown shirt or drop a dime on your neighbor for some imagined offense.
 
Quote from PHOENIX TRADING:

Supposedly responsible people like you are dangerous to everybody else minding their own business.
there have been several cases of impaired drivers wiping out innocent lives near where i live recently. who is dangerous to who?

if you idiots who want to destroy yourselves with drug abuse just killed yourself in your own homes i could care less. but you wont. you will leave a trail of destruction that the rest of us have to clean up.
really. how stupid do you have to be to put that crap in your body? and yes i would drop a dime on you if i saw you driving impaired.
 
Quote from Free Thinker:

there have been several cases of impaired drivers wiping out innocent lives near where i live recently. who is dangerous to who?

if you idiots who want to destroy yourselves with drug abuse just killed yourself in your own homes i could care less. but you wont. you will leave a trail of destruction that the rest of us have to clean up.
really. how stupid do you have to be to put that crap in your body? and yes i would drop a dime on you if i saw you driving impaired.
Impaired driving is illegal regardless of the legality of the substance.
quit dreaming up stupid strawman arguments just because I advocate people having the right to choose(and be responsible ) for themselves what they do with their bodies.

Busy body moralists like yourself were burning witches at the stake.
 
Quote from PHOENIX TRADING:

Impaired driving is illegal regardless of the legality of the substance.


yes, and we know from experience that the only effective deterrent is random traffic stops. hence my support for random traffic checks.
 
Quote from Free Thinker:

yes, and we know from experience that the only effective deterrent is random traffic stops. hence my support for random traffic checks.

Congratulation you just dreamed up an excuse for unlimited no knock house searches (phishing expeditions) without a warrant.
 
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