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'DREAM' Amnesty fails, H-1b increase still pending
- Thread starter LT701
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Quote from Daal:
keeps supply of high skilled workers tight which raises their salaries relative to low skilled. plus it just flat out insanity
So your solution is to push down the salary of highly skilled workers? Wouldn't it be better to try to give the lower skilled ones an incentive to increase their skills?
Quote from AAAintheBeltway:
So your solution is to push down the salary of highly skilled workers? Wouldn't it be better to try to give the lower skilled ones an incentive to increase their skills?
or better yet, just stop suppressing their wages with illegal immigration so they're at least paid what they're worth
I think this guy thinks 'since the lower end gets screwed, we have to screw the upper end too'
the solution is to stop screwing everyone
the break of the housing bubble leaves hundreds of thousands needing re-deployment
Quote from LT701:
I think this guy thinks 'since the lower end gets screwed, we have to screw the upper end too'
im not saying it should be done for that reason but some people are against h1bs then they go complain about inequality and ceo pay when the goverment is creating a monopoly for high skilled workers by keeping these quotas small
Quote from Daal:
im not saying it should be done for that reason but some people are against h1bs then they go complain about inequality and ceo pay when the goverment is creating a monopoly for high skilled workers by keeping these quotas small
"but some people are against h1bs then they go complain about inequality and ceo pay"
that doesnt mean everyone does - you're making a straw man here. plus, for those that do complain, tech workers dont make 500 times as much as low skilled workers, whereas ceos make that times the avg worker, and *nobody* ever said that ceos should have equal pay to other workers
quotas small? they're anything but small, they're currently 85,000 per year officially for H-1b, unlimited for L1, and H-1b cap has countless exemptions for 'nonprofit', research, university organizations etc. A for profit body shop emplyeee deployed at a nonprofit or research does not count in the cap
all told, it's waaaay over 100,000 per year now - no other occupation has that - and yes, that's why kids are running like hell from tech - it's not the 'they cant study' bullshit
problem is, they DID study, Econ 101
Quote from LT701:
in one family I'm thinking of, they really have no idea - the girl is a senior in high school, very bright
Both parents have solved countless, incredibly complex problems for corporate America - yet, they cannot solve the problem that corporate America created for them
The only problem corporate America has is in deciding on which country to outsource to next once Indian and Chinese labor become too expensive.
She should become a physician or a nurse. Pretty much anything in the medical field is the place to be. Teachers are also in demand.
Now we can't forget daytraders. Scalping stocks for a 3 cent/share profit is highly in demand.
Quote from Vinny1:
The only problem corporate America has is in deciding on which country to outsource to next once Indian and Chinese labor become too expensive.
She should become a physician or a nurse. Pretty much anything in the medical field is the place to be. Teachers are also in demand.
Now we can't forget daytraders. Scalping stocks for a 3 cent/share profit is highly in demand.
What's to stop an H-1b like guest program for the fields you mentioned? (medical, more than teachers, which has more of a cultural component)
H-1b really had nothing to do with tech, it's a LABOR issue. Tech was just the first occupation attacked with legal guest workers
(many of the construction and meatpacking was attacked with illegal guest workers)
Quote from LT701:
What's to stop an H-1b like guest program for the fields you mentioned? (medical, more than teachers, which has more of a cultural component)
H-1b really had nothing to do with tech, it's a LABOR issue. Tech was just the first occupation attacked with legal guest workers
(many of the construction and meatpacking was attacked with illegal guest workers)
at the time these parents entered IT in the early 1980s, the idea of foreign labor coming into the USA and displacing Americans was unthinkable. Now, it's fact
they know that it can happen to any other field their daughter chooses
Quote from LT701:
at the time these parents entered IT in the early 1980s, the idea of foreign labor coming into the USA and displacing Americans was unthinkable. Now, it's fact
they know that it can happen to any other field their daughter chooses
At least in the medical and teaching fields, they'll pay US citizens and H1's the same. At least I think they will. What are your thoughts?
I can understand the opposition, but this is like trying to stop the tide with a sand castle.
There's hundreds of millions in both India & China now joining the global economy. If they can't come here, the jobs will be outsourced there.
And, btw, after them comes Indonesia, with still more hundreds of millions.
The only way to totally stop it would be to crash the dollar so badly that on a PPP basis the dollar is no higher than the rupee and the remnimbi, and then enforcing these restrictive bills as they were meant to be enforced.
Of course, the standard of living here would then be much much lower.
So, unfortunately for the short run, the only real answer is to get the global economy to grow as fast as possible to absorb all those new workers coming on. That will mean higher commodity inflation, like what we're seeing now, except it will doubtless get a lot worse before it gets better. But I can't think of another real solution.
Also, for the daughter, there's what happened with my niece, who I wondered about, but who wound up getting a good job actually using her amazing math skills in finance in NY.
There's a few folks coming out of India who can do the sophisticated stuff, but not enough to fill the need. Tech has no future here, and while that's sad, you have to remember it's also a lot easier to replace than most other fields, almost by definition. Other fields will be much harder.
Bit long, sorry for the length.
There's hundreds of millions in both India & China now joining the global economy. If they can't come here, the jobs will be outsourced there.
And, btw, after them comes Indonesia, with still more hundreds of millions.
The only way to totally stop it would be to crash the dollar so badly that on a PPP basis the dollar is no higher than the rupee and the remnimbi, and then enforcing these restrictive bills as they were meant to be enforced.
Of course, the standard of living here would then be much much lower.
So, unfortunately for the short run, the only real answer is to get the global economy to grow as fast as possible to absorb all those new workers coming on. That will mean higher commodity inflation, like what we're seeing now, except it will doubtless get a lot worse before it gets better. But I can't think of another real solution.
Also, for the daughter, there's what happened with my niece, who I wondered about, but who wound up getting a good job actually using her amazing math skills in finance in NY.
There's a few folks coming out of India who can do the sophisticated stuff, but not enough to fill the need. Tech has no future here, and while that's sad, you have to remember it's also a lot easier to replace than most other fields, almost by definition. Other fields will be much harder.
Bit long, sorry for the length.