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[Ricter]

Quote from vhehn:

isnt that a little like the us military waiting for me to come help them win in iraq. the christian god is described as a loving all knowing all powerful god. in the bible story he caused it to rain down food on command. why do you give him a pass when he clearly has the ability to save that child but refuses to do so? does he really love the little children in that picture?

This cannot be understood without a spiritual "sense".

 

[Free Thinker]

Quote from Ricter:

This cannot be understood without a spiritual "sense".

so we have to discard our rational compassionate sense and use a spiritual sense to justify letting innocent children starve?

 

[Ricter]

Quote from vhehn:

so we have to discard our rational compassionate sense and use a spiritual sense to justify letting innocent children starve?

I am not advocating inaction, but still responding to the grief and anger you display in your initial reaction and judgement of God, assuming that He exists.

One needs to be able to feel the existence of the transcendent, not merely extrapolate it. This feeling really is something that one has, or doesn't. It will not do us any good to discuss it if neither of us have ever sensed it.

 

[Free Thinker]

Quote from Ricter:

I am not advocating inaction, but still responding to the grief and anger you display in your initial reaction and judgement of God, assuming that He exists.

the reaction is simply looking at the evidence,comparing it to what this god describes himself as being,if we are to believe the bible is his word, and calling bs.

 

[peilthetraveler]

Quote from vhehn:

in the bible story he caused it to rain down food on command. why do you give him a pass when he clearly has the ability to save that child but refuses to do so? does he really love the little children in that picture?

The bird is food.

To answer your question...Manna was given to the Israelites because they were unsettled. They could grow no crops of their own in the wilderness of Sinai. Look at that picture. There are obviously trees and shrubs growing well there. Crops could be grown if they tried.

 

[Free Thinker]

Quote from peilthetraveler:

The bird is food.

To answer your question...Manna was given to the Israelites because they were unsettled. They could grow no crops of their own in the wilderness of Sinai. Look at that picture. There are obviously trees and shrubs growing well there. Crops could be grown if they tried.

is that christian compassion? blame the victim for his plight and excuse your god for inaction?

 

[Ricter]

Quote from vhehn:

the reaction is simply looking at the evidence,comparing it to what this god describes himself as being,if we are to believe the bible is his word, and calling bs.

The insistence on demonstrable evidence is a premise of the scientific worldview, and yes, it is very, very good in its utilitarianism, but it is not the only worldview and does not meet all needs.

Many events we accept as real, but that we did not ourselves experience, cannot be repeated, but we typically accept the testimony of eye witnesses, IF and only if it accords with our own limited experience. This points to the possibility of a sense of the world that many apparently have, and that many don't and thus will never be able to use for argument's sake.

 

[Free Thinker]

Quote from Ricter:


Many events we accept as real, but that we did not ourselves experience, cannot be repeated, but we typically accept the testimony of eye witnesses, IF and only if it accords with our own limited experience. This points to the possibility of a sense of the world that many apparently have, and that many don't and thus will never be able to use for argument's sake.

delusion lives in that world.

 

[Ricter]

Quote from vhehn:

delusion lives in that world.

Agreed. And so do wrong hypotheses live in the scientific world, for a time anyway.

 

[Free Thinker]

Quote from Ricter:

Agreed. And so do wrong hypotheses live in the scientific world, for a time anyway.

a wrong hypotheses is corrected by new evidence. how is religious delusion corrected when the concept of evidence is shunned?