Churchill said: 'The destruction of Dresden remains a serious query against the conduct of Allied bombing. I am of the opinion that military objectives must henceforward be more strictly studied....I feel the need for more precise concentration upon military objectives such as oil and communications behind the immediate battle-zone, rather than on mere acts of terror and wanton destruction however impressive.'
Don't you just love the French?
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You are real clever man. where have you been ????? Harvard???? Iraq was the only Laic state of the region man. Their prime minister is christian. So considering Iraq as a terrorist state is just nonsense. Moreover, all the dictators of the region are guess what ??? America's best friends. And you know why because thanks to them America has cheap oil.
Of course as long as oil is cheap, we don't give a fuck about democracy. Democracy is just the argument used by the US to justify it's unacceptable killings of more civilians. Just for oil.
This is really shameful of a country that calls itself great.
Of course as long as oil is cheap, we don't give a fuck about democracy. Democracy is just the argument used by the US to justify it's unacceptable killings of more civilians. Just for oil.
This is really shameful of a country that calls itself great.
Braaaaaap.....! Wrong Answer.
It's nowhere near there and couldn't ever have been; that's a densely packed shopping/residential area. West of what formerly was Loews is a huge building, the Casino, as well as Hotel d'Paris. The only place you can land a chopper is the Heliport de Monaco (code MCM) all the way south, past Fontvielle, near the French border.
Another RS7 bullcrap-tall-tale debunked.
You are right about one thing.
All the dictators are just that, dictators......
Elected officials? Sure....
Too funny..... unless you are totally dyslexic, you have proven yourself "braaap" wrong. The Hotel d' Paris is EAST of Loews. So stop looking at your maps in the mirror. And if I WERE mistaken? So what? Who cares but you? Are you trying to disprove that I was in Monte Carlo? If so, then tell me why. What purpose does it serve? You really are an ill individual.
But still, as deranged as I always knew you were, I figured you knew east from west. Shows how I have seriously overestimated you. Sorry for having you figured wrong.
Oh, and what part of Monaco is NOT near the French Border? As you would so eloquently say: "Bwaahahhahah".
And hey, how about telling us where you live? What is the big secret?
I don't see what you are arguing with me about. I agree that white americans committed atrocities against the african slaves. I agree they committed atrocities against the native americans ("indians").
However, the "same old story"?
Tell me who came to the defense of the victims of these atrocities? The Civil War, and the Civil Rights movement came from within. There were no foreign powers willing to commit their blood for the cause of the downtrodden slaves. Or the downtrodden "indians".
But, for argument's sake, let's suppose for a moment that the Kingdom of Fiji came and defeated America and restored the rights and lands of the native americans. Then, visitors from Fiji years later come to visit, let's say, Nogales Arizona, which has a large "indian" population. Now, if Fiji liberated the "indians", would the "indians" resent the tourists from Fiji? Or do you think that perhaps there might be, if not a residual feeling of "gratitude" then at least tolerance? Or something short of the outright rudeness shown to Americans by Parisians (in general)? Do you think the "indians" would treat the tourists from Fiji with the disdain that the French have been treating American tourists, who truly DID liberate France from the nazi occupation? And really, this issue is what the thread started out to be about. How every thread gets turned into an "Islam vs. the World" issue is a tribute to your adamant beliefs. I've got to give you credit, Traderfut....you always manage to steer the threads in the direction you want so you can express your beliefs. I admire that tenacity. But why not just start a thread about whatever point you wish to make, and do it directly. France to Iraq? Nazis to American founders that have been dead for 200 years? This was not the topic.
Traderfut...you know that on most issues we agree in principal. That we both only wish for peace and tolerance. But real life throws a lot of garbage at us. And we need to recognize garbage for what it is. While it is true that there have been great achievements and great examples of tolerance shown by the Islamic world, it is, often, now irrelevant. If the Muslim world was accepting of the Jews during the Inquisition, well, that is very admirable of them. However, that was also several hundred years ago. Where does Islam stand right now in the middle east? Who flew those jets into the World Trade Center? And what was their cause? What was the cause being supported by the terrorists at the 1972 Olympics? For what cause are kids becoming suicide bombers? What cause were 180 people killed for in Bali? Kenya?
I don't think that Islam itself should necessarily be held responsible for the scary state of affairs in the world today. But you tell me....has this religion been hijacked by a criminal element? Or are these terrorists really not criminals but only devout believers in their religion? What is it I need to be afraid of?
To say that Iraq now poses no threat to to the world is absurd, and that because they have a christian prime minister is irrelevant. How much power does their parliament have? The whole government structure is a joke. The nation is run by one maniac. That is just the way it is. Does that make the Iraqi people evil? obviously not. Are the Iraqi people free to express their dissent? Not even worth discussing. By the way, have you seen today's newspapers? Saddam has some pretty nice homes around Baghdad. One article I saw today said that staring at the homes was dangerous. Could imply "disrespect", which could have fatal results. Sounds like a reasonable "head of state" to deal with. The Parliament voted against the UN resolution. Only Saddam himself could make concessions. If a member of parliament had voted in favor of the UN resolution, what do you think his future would have held?
Americans HAVE tried to make apologies for their mistreatment of indians and africans early in American history. Restitution also to some degree (impossible in reality). Most Germans of today express remorse for the actions of the Nazis. Who in the Arab world is expressing regret for the terror and murder committed in the name of Allah recently?
Yeah, might as well blame it on oil and american politics. The big evil Satan. Responsible for all the world's ills. Tell me about the French article last week claiming that the Pentagon was not really struck by an airplane. All just a fraud
America set it all up. Needed an excuse to get pissed at Al Qaeda. Remember too that it was, I believe, stories that originated in the French press that it was Israel behind the World Trade Center tradgedy (not 100% sure of this, but the story did make it's rounds). Which brings me to one question. Why, if America is such a hotbed of evil, do the perpetrators of these attacks not openly take credit for their deeds? If they are looking for support, how can they get it if they don't take credit? If they are looking to defeat an enemy, then who exactly is the enemy? All the 80+ nations who had citizens die in the attacks of 9/11?
My brain is obviously too small to comprehend the intent of all this horror. And if these attacks are in retribution of the mistreatment of the slaves and indians......well gee, seems a little untimely for that. No?
Peace,
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Ha ha ha ha!! He's got you there, Seven! You can't out-sleuth a super sleuth!
Yup....guess I was always looking at the water thinking it was south. I did not take into consideration the curvature of the coastline. He got me there. I guess I am now guilty of a capital crime at minimum. I have the same problem in Los Angeles with their weird coastline. I guess I am just an east coast USA kind of simple minded guy. Ocean is east, land is west. That's why I really chose to live in Florida....very simple to remember.
Still....where is Max from? Super Sleuth....good name
Thanks goldenarm, I feel better knowing that a normal guy (meaning not MAX) has called me on my error. Obviously I should no longer depend on my memory. But alas, I haven't the time or inclination to research the latitude and longitude of places I remember only vaguely. I will make more of an effort to keep a GPS kind of lifestyle. I could have sworn the sea was south.....oh well. shoot me!
And thanks max.....you have proven me to be wrong on a major point of importance. Congratulations. Very major point proven!!!!
Peace guys,
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