That's not a point Ak, Zimmermans case is standalone and has nothing to do with any other case, anywhere else in the country. It is simply a fact that you have the right to defend yourself in this country, and if this guy had or has to spend one night in prison for what he did, any cop/prosecutor etc who charged him should be fired, relieved of their pensions and do fucking time themselves. Self defense doesn't get more clear cut than this.
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That's not a point Ak, Zimmermans case is standalone and has nothing to do with any other case, anywhere else in the country. It is simply a fact that you have the right to defend yourself in this country, and if this guy had or has to spend one night in prison for what he did, any cop/prosecutor etc who charged him should be fired, relieved of their pensions and do fucking time themselves. Self defense doesn't get more clear cut than this.
While that should be true in reality its not.Sanford PD was humiliated and their chief lost his job.That will influence the decision making in other PD's around the country.
1.I agree
2.If you are referring to the case this thread is about and the facts in the story are correct I also agree
It IS reality. Do you think in court they are going to say "well we had to charge him because of the zimmerman case" LOL. Each case is independent and has no bearing on any other. This police chief/DA need to be canned for charging this guy when he obviously was defending himself and family in his residence. A fucking kindergartener could figure this one out.
Cases like Zims apply because PD's will lean toward covering their asses in cases that might cause embarrassment or officers losing their jobs.
Zim has a good chance of beating the murder charge.I learned yesterday the jury can convict on the lessor charge of manslaughter,thats 50-50 imo.
Holder is also investigating and will probably bring federal charges if Zim beats the state case.
FBI to Zimmerman: We don't have to give you our file, despite judge's order
By Rene Stutzman, Orlando Sentinel
6:34 p.m. EST, February 27, 2013
Lawyers for the FBI say the federal agency should not give George Zimmerman's lawyers all the evidence from its case file, even though a Sanford judge has ordered it.
The U.S. Department of Justice filed paperwork Monday, arguing that federal regulations trump a state court judge's ruling. It's asking that judge, Debra S. Nelson, to undo her Feb. 5 order.
"This court has 'no power or authority' ⦠to compel the FBI to produce the documents at issue here," wrote Assistant U.S. Attorney Sean P. Flynn.
In her order, Nelson agreed with a defense request and ordered the FBI to open its case file to Zimmerman's attorneys. Zimmerman, 29, is the former Neighborhood Watch volunteer charged with second-degree murder for shooting Trayvon Martin, an unarmed 17-year-old, one year ago in Sanford.
A few weeks after the slaying, following protest rallies across the country, the U.S. Department of Justice launched an investigation into the shooting to determine whether Trayvon's civil rights were violated â whether he was killed because he was black.
It's not clear what that investigation has turned up. The FBI, which has done much of the work in the federal case, has said the investigation is ongoing.
Defense attorneys Mark O'Mara and Don West have argued that they're entitled to all evidence gathered against their client, be it by local, state or federal authorities.
They've received a limited amount of FBI evidence â interview summaries that say three dozen people who knew Zimmerman told agents they saw no signs he was a racist.
In the FBI paperwork filed with Nelson in Monday, Flynn wrote that O'Mara had been told about but had failed to follow the proper procedures that might convince the federal agency to release the information.
The supremacy clause of the U.S. Constitution, Flynn wrote, makes it clear that federal regulations take precedence over a state judge's order.
rstutzman@tribune.com or 407-650-6394
Of course they are not going to say that.What they will do is give extra scrutiny to self dense shootings and start charging self defense shooters and make them prove their innocence in cases that might cause the department national embarrassment.You see a possible example of that in the case this thread is about.If Zimmerman had been charged the Sanford police chief would probably still have his job,other chiefs will keep that in mind when making decisions in similar cases.