I've no doubt that once upon a recent time, Marco could have been liked by the Tea Party. But his positions quickly became clear, and he was quickly labeled an establishment guy. Hell, Paul Ryan was once a Tea Party favorite. But again, Trump took the Tea Party base because he's as pissed off as they are, and they know he's not bought and paid for like the others. Trump is "decimating" them because their support has moved to someone more radical. That's not something that should warm your heart. It doesn't warm mine, and I'm an astronomical unit more conservative than you.
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I've no doubt that once upon a recent time, Marco could have been liked by the Tea Party. But his positions quickly became clear, and he was quickly labeled an establishment guy. Hell, Paul Ryan was once a Tea Party favorite. But again, Trump took the Tea Party base because he's as pissed off as they are, and they know he's not bought and paid for like the others. Trump is "decimating" them because their support has moved to someone more radical. That's not something that should warm your heart. It doesn't warm mine, and I'm an astronomical unit more conservative than you.
This has been discussed a hundred times or so. Black Panthers voted for Obama, too. Idiots that vote for a candidate aren't the candidate's responsibility.
This is different. These are first time voters.
How does that make it different? First time idiots come out when there is a candidate that is bent on overthrowing the establishment. So what.
Uh huh, I'm sure that's accurate. More likely, they consider "authoritarian" to be "has rules that have to be followed, earns what they work for" and "is punished when they misbehave".
Post the source, so we can see the questions asked.
or people who think we should follow the law and actually put fences up around pools to protect our children's futures.
This took some hunting, but apparently the story I heard in the past few days on NPR is related to the Stanley Feldman (SUNY) study. They were it seems actually talking to the person who had done the study of Trump voters. If you search the NPR sight itself you may be able to replay it. I couldn't find it though. I'm not very good at using the NPR site to find old programs. At the link below, go down to "II." and look for Stanley Feldman. The study is explained there, including the questions they used about child rearing (I think). You can also search Google for "NPR trump voters correlated with authoritarian..."
The link I found is http://www.vox.com/2016/3/1/11127424/trump-authoritarianism
There were a couple of other graduate student dissertation studies (recent) I turned up, apparently using Feldman's method. Likely the NPR report was an interview of one of those Ph.D. students, because Feldman's work was done much earlier. (Or maybe it was with the author of the VOX article.)
I went back and copied the questions they asked. That's probably what you are interested in. Here they are. (this is from the VOX link.)
- Please tell me which one you think is more important for a child to have: independence or respect for elders?
- Please tell me which one you think is more important for a child to have: obedience or self-reliance?
- Please tell me which one you think is more important for a child to have: to be considerate or to be well-behaved?
- Please tell me which one you think is more important for a child to have: curiosity or good manners?
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This is a prime example of why I find these pseudo-scientific surveys frustrating. The choices presented are not mutually exclusive. A respondent could value them equally and be forced to choose one or the other randomly. Worthless IMO.