Don Miller...

Quote from Fast_Trader:

People who sign-up for the course get access to Don's P&L statements. Why would anyone want to make their P&L statements available on a public website where 95% of the visitors are pikers anyway?

Get real...
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There are plenty of reason why somebody might <b>WANT</b> to make them available, but only one or two reasons why they <b>WON'T</b> if they have a claim to substantiate.

The secrecy - or "privacy", ha! - that is hidden behind is deplorable.

Step-by-step plan: 1) Take your monthly statements and redact the sensitive info - there are many ways to do this. 2) Then post them somewhere. 3) There is no step 3, it only took two steps you lazy bastards.

Regulatory issues? There are ways to make this a moot issue.

Who cares if 95% are pikers - they'd eat that stuff up . . . and what a story that would be . . . SOMEBODY FINALLY PUT THEIR STATEMENTS UP FOR REVIEW!!! Imagine the repercussions!

And no Alex, I don't think it would do more damage for wannabe traders to see your statement . . . don't agree with you on that.

Keep Trading.

JS
 
Quote from JScott:

Otherwise, I may as well start my own damn blog.

Keep trading.

JS
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Why not start your own web site and offer trading education if you are fairly good at it.

The key is if you can communicate how you try to find an edge in the market, exploit it, can manage your risk, and can offer a newer trader a faster way to success than if that newer trader let the market teach him or her.

That is what the traders need. Not some guru claiming he makes $100,000 per day.

When I was learning I could not care less if the guru was making a million or lost money. I wanted to know if the advice could help me learn to trade.

The only time I want to see a guru's track record is if I want to give that guru money to trade for me.

I would rather learn to trade for myself. That is why I started Puretick to help traders learn for themselves, not to make me into their personal black box trading system.

Successfully,

Alex L. Wasilewski
Co-Founder & Head Trader
Trades That Work
www.puretick.com
1-877-GOLONG1 ( 1-877-465-6641 )
 
Quote from JScott:

Who cares if 95% are pikers - they'd eat that stuff up . . . and what a story that would be . . . SOMEBODY FINALLY PUT THEIR STATEMENTS UP FOR REVIEW!!! Imagine the repercussions!

And no Alex, I don't think it would do more damage for wannabe traders to see your statement . . . don't agree with you on that.

JS
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You mean like Larry Williams did when he allegedly made a million dollars?

I do have a fantastic set of statements. I have shown it to the 2 people who have "challenged me."

They bet me that I did not produce what I claimed to do. One of course was the famous Suzzie-Pig, the other Anek.

When it came to their paying up they backed out.

When I beat Suzzie Pig the first time, she said that was because I was trading with such a large account I was able to scale in and out and she could not. OK

So I set up a Trade Station account, with guess how much, $2500.00

You know what excuse I got next? "Oh there are ways to fake a brokerage account statement. You can call trades and go long in one account and have your fat ass partner take the opposite side. Whoever has a winning account at the end of 3 months just posts that. I know how you scammers operate."

So you will not blame me if I am temporarily in the "fuck you track record requesters" camp.

You really really think after 2 years of Puretick flaming that all I have to do is post my trading results and you and the other morons will suddenly say "Oh Alex, we are such assholes. Sorry. Wow that is some track record you have. I am signing up to Puretick today."

And what will I gain? Let's assume that all 7 of my detractors sign up to the Puretick room tomorrow. That is a whopping $203.00 in fees at $29.00 each.

And if you look at the toilet talk, the inane pictures, the irrelevant diatribes---how many of these superstars will be in my room next month. Maybe 2.

And after listening to some of the crap out of their stinking little mouths, what makes you think I want to help these people start or continue a trading career. I would rather think that they are taking the opposite side of my trades.

Have you seen some of the idiotic postings about me and Puretick? No matter what my trading statements said, do you think they would be accepted as truth?

I made a comment last September when I bought my new Cirrus. The same bunch of asswipes actually accused me of faking ownership of an aircraft.

These are public records. There are dozens of pics on the internet and in my trading room. The tail number is clearly visible. Any half-moron can easily access Federal records and track that plane right down to my corporate address. They would even find the name of the LLC company I established-----oooooohhhh more ET "BIG DISCOVERIES" But no. they insist that this is a scam.

Give me a break. Is it easier to fake a paper trading statement or fake ownership of an aircraft. How about me taking a video of me flying the damn thing---with no one else in the plane?

Nah. The ETers would say the "REAL PILOT" was hidden on the hood---LOL.

Hey remember the uproar when Obama's plane flew close to lower Manhattan before turning south over NJ? Well I convinced ATC last week to let me fly low down the center of Manhattan, right down 5th Avenue. I buzzed the Empire State Building.

If King Kong were there I could have had him try to swat me. I still can't believe it:

I DID TURNS AROUND THE POINT OVER THE EMPIRE STATE BUILDING.

NOW THAT IS SOMETHING I will agree upon if all the ETers say:

Damn scam artist. Yes you are right. No one is permitted to break class Bravo airspace like that.

The only problem I keep wrestling with is:

I have pictures.

And 3 witnesses who were in the plane. Biggest thrill of my life.

Successfully,

Alex L. Wasilewski
Co-Founder & Head Trader
Trades That Work
www.puretick.com
1-877-GOLONG1 ( 1-877-465-6641 )
 
Quote from Spectra:

Yes you are not a lawyer. Neither am I, so do what I did, hire a law firm that specializes in that law.

Puretick.com is an trading education and information service, think one on one Investors Business Daily with charts of 10 stocks about to break the cup and saucer or some other stuff.

They are not required to disclose any track records. We post where the market was trading when I call long and short trades. I specifically warn all traders that there is no guarantee that all one hundred people in our room are even taking the calls.

Our last contest winner (to see who is following the calls probably took 85% of the calls).

The previous winner only took 50% of the calls---he was Suzzie Pig's brother by the way ----one of my biggest critics, LOL.

So I almost reverse guarantee. These calls are there for you. You have the right to take them or ignore them. In fact if I showed you MY TRADING STATEMENTS I would think that it would do more harm to you than good. You would tend to over leverage and over trade to MAKE WHAT I DO.

On the other hand Al Green is required by law to post results of Profit Navigation, because Profit Navigation offers individuals and institutions the opportunity to diversify their financial risk by participating in managed account programs which seek capital appreciation of clients' assets through speculative trading in commodity futures.

So now you know.

Successfully,

Alex L. Wasilewski
Co-Founder & Head Trader
Trades That Work
www.puretick.com
1-877-GOLONG1 ( 1-877-465-6641 )
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OK, so evidently your distinction is that if it's an educational offering, it requires no verified track record. Money managers on the other hand must give out their performance numbers.

That all makes some sense. On the other hand, Don Miller has been discussing his performance for let's say a year. If he makes the claim "Last year I made in excess of $1 million", and then follows that by an educational offering, it becomes clear that the offering is made based on the unverified claim.

Put it this way...if this were a security, this would be illegal. Index futures are not securities...and so there may be some type of difference.

By the way, I'm not attempting to compare this with your firm or what you do. I'm speaking strictly about the Don Miller situation. And as I said before, I'm not a lawyer.

OldTrader
 
Quote from Spectra:


So you will not blame me if I am temporarily in the "fuck you track record requesters" camp.
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Alright then, each camp will perpetually be at odds. The only statements I'm concerned with anyhow are mine.

Let me see if I can get them to a bit more impressive state and I will post those sons of bitches!!!:D

Keep Trading.

JS
 
Why is the 1.6 million Don was able to carve out of an insane market TRADING GOOD SIZE all that hard to believe.

I think he made something like $5 a contract NET PROFIT.

"He had a net profit of $1,635,103 trading 586,184 sides (293,092 RTs). The net profit per RT is only $5.58 or less than one half an ES tick per RT."

Thats $5. He did size, he traded often , and the daily ranges were, well, you were there.

That aint gonna happen again anytime soon and he KNOWS IT.

So he'll teach them how to make $2-3 a contract net profit, and if they are REALLY GOOD AT IT they'll be happy. And if they trade 30 contracts (few have the $$$ or the balls for that) they may even make a living.
 
Quote from Spectra:


They bet me that I did not produce what I claimed to do. One of course was the famous Suzzie-Pig, the other Anek.

When it came to their paying up they backed out.

When I beat Suzzie Pig the first time, she said that was because I was trading with such a large account I was able to scale in and out and she could not. OK

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All lies, you never accepted my challenge, you are just looking for attention to promote your service for morons.

The only documented trades we got from you is the miserable Profit Navigation performance. A true testament of your inability to trade.

As far as Anek, he would destroy you on any given day but you already know this you sad excuse of a human being.

Susana
 
Don seems to be kind of serious about his business if he can do it the way he wants. If he is, he will get his statements documented with those type of numbers, and if he does that it'll be the easiest $1million anyone ever made in their lives, gauranteed.



Quote from OldTrader:

OK, so evidently your distinction is that if it's an educational offering, it requires no verified track record. Money managers on the other hand must give out their performance numbers.

That all makes some sense. On the other hand, Don Miller has been discussing his performance for let's say a year. If he makes the claim "Last year I made in excess of $1 million", and then follows that by an educational offering, it becomes clear that the offering is made based on the unverified claim.

Put it this way...if this were a security, this would be illegal. Index futures are not securities...and so there may be some type of difference.

By the way, I'm not attempting to compare this with your firm or what you do. I'm speaking strictly about the Don Miller situation. And as I said before, I'm not a lawyer.

OldTrader
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this post is really funny... i do not understand why anyone gives a crap about you owning an airplane. Big deal.

i also don't see why you make such a big deal about everything anyone says about you or your site..especially if you don't make any money off of it.
 
Quote from pak:

I did read some of recent dicussion about him on another thread but it seemed to go off the original topic.

I too was one of the many readers of his blog and felt somewhat decieved-only because thru out the year he bashed traders who charged to learn-so therfore I felt he was "pure".

But i guess he turns out to be human like all of us-so came up with a way in the begining to make a lot of $ for himself

Does anyone else feel the dissapointemnt like me? And then again why should I be?

Many people put down $10,000 hoping to sit next to one of the great poker players (and maybe learn something and I'm sure most dont) This Jelly project doesn't seem much different...
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I don't know why you should feel deceived. Don has sold trading advice/lessons before and AFAIK he never dispensed trading advice on his blog, and that was never the purpose. I guess you could feel a little pang of disappointment that he isn't going the altruistic route, helping others and asking nothing in return, but evidently the guy is a businessman to the core and believes in fair compensation for delivering value. Nothing wrong with that.

Maybe his lessons could be quite helpful to new or struggling traders - but it all depends on your expectations. Ten weeks might be enough time to generate a lot of chatlogs, chart examples and so on, but I seriously doubt anybody can go from zero to consistently profitable in that time. In fact, I'd be completely floored if it happened. Bear in mind that Don was trading for eight or nine years before his 2008 run, presumably with much more limited success.

I expect that a couple of the Jellies who have substantial prior experience might be seeing some consistent profits by the end of the period, a few will end up bitterly disappointed and feel ripped off, while most - maybe 80% - will tell you they got their money's worth but are still "perfecting the method." Ultimately one just needs a certain amount of screentime.
 
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