Don Imus should have been fired

Quote from kut2k2:

What "Minority cause" are you talking about? AFAIK the only thing racial minorities in America want is to be treated the same as White Americans: judged by conduct, not by race.

And stop making this about Sharpton and Jackson; they are irrelevant. Do you honestly think that if A&J never opened their mouths on this matter that it would all have gone away? Dream on.

Media Matters for America has prepared the following timeline documenting events from Imus' slur of the Rutgers team on April 4 to MSNBC's announcement on April 11:

Wednesday, April 4

* On Imus in the Morning, host Don Imus referred to the Scarlet Knights, the Rutgers University women's basketball team -- which is made up of eight African-American and two white players -- as "nappy-headed hos" after executive producer Bernard McGuirk called the team "hard-core hos." Media Matters for America noted Imus' comments at the time.
* The New York Times later noted that "Imus's remarks were picked up ... by the Media Matters for America site," and Salon.com's Jonathan Miller similarly credited Media Matters for posting video of Imus' comments. In an article about MSNBC's decision to drop the show, the Los Angeles Times identified Media Matters as "the liberal media watchdog group that first spotlighted Imus' remark last week." USA Today also reported that Media Matters "originally called attention to Imus' remarks."

Thursday, April 5

* Addressing his "nappy-headed hos" comment, Imus asserted,
"I don't understand what the problem is, really," and referred to the remark as "some idiot comment meant to be amusing," as noted in Miller's April 10 Salon article.
* WNBC.com, the NBC affiliate in New York, reported Imus' April 5 comments in an article the same day, which quoted a Rutgers spokesperson saying, "We agree with Mr. Imus that this was, in his own words, an 'idiot comment.' We are very proud of the success of the Rutgers women's basketball team. Coach [C. Vivian] Stringer and the Rutgers players are outstanding ambassadors for this great institution."
* MSNBC released a statement that asserted, "While simulcast by MSNBC, 'Imus in the Morning' is not a production of the cable network and is produced by WFAN Radio." It added, "As Imus makes clear every day, his views are not those of MSNBC. We regret that his remarks were aired on MSNBC and apologize for these offensive comments." The statement was noted in an article published at 3:26 p.m. ET on NBC10.com, the website for the NBC affiliate that serves the Philadelphia area.

Friday, April 6

* Imus apologized on Imus in the Morning, asserting, "Want to take a moment to apologize for an insensitive and ill-conceived remark we made the other morning referring to the Rutgers women's basketball team," and adding, "It was completely inappropriate, and we can understand why people were offended. Our characterization was thoughtless and stupid, so, and we're sorry." Media Matters noted Imus' apology at the time.



IOW it took Imus two days to apologize, which meant that he was feeling pressure to do so, not remorse over what he said. I would have backed him even if he had taken one day to sincerely apologize, but as you can see above, he still didn't see what the "fuss" was all about.



As noted by myself and many others, this was not the first time for Imus.

So tell us, Mr. Apologist, how many times does Imus or anyone else in a similar position get to transgress? Give us a fucking number so we don't have to keep arguing this nonsense over and over and fucking over.

Here's something from the editorial page of the conservative San Diego Union-Tribune:

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Wednesday, April 11, 2007

The Imus disgrace

CBS, NBC, his big-shot pals also shameful

Even before radio-TV host Don Imus' repellent reference last week ..., his history was so littered with disgusting racist remarks that it was already a mystery how the CBS radio network and MSNBC kept him on the payroll.

Nothing about his two-week suspension changes that fact. Imus shouldn't just be contrite, he should be ashamed -- but that also holds for CBS and NBC for keeping him on the national stage.

What's stunning is the readiness of so many of his enablers in the nation's media and journalistic elites to downplay Imus' racism as a mere failure to be "politically correct." In 1997 on "60 Minutes", Imus admitted one of the reasons he hired staffer Bernard McGuirk, who also slurred the Rutgers team last week while on the air with Imus, was his proficiency at telling n-word jokes. For years he has made a habit of singling out dark-skinned blacks for ridicule. Here's what he had to say about veteran journalist Gwen Ifill in 1995: "Isn't The New York Times wonderful? It lets the cleaning lady cover the White House."

This isn't "politically incorrect." This isn't satire. It is flat-out, full-on racism. Yet Tim Russert, Chris Matthews, Cokie Roberts, Sens. John McCain and Joseph Biden and dozens of other white media and political heavyweights have gone on Imus' show, admonished him for the remarks, but then appeared to act as apologists for him. ... At some point being willing to go on Imus and lend him legitimacy becomes a comment on these folks' character.

Enough is enough. The corporate bosses at CBS and GE/MSNBC need to realize that the money Imus makes for them is dirty money. ... Spewing racism is unacceptable. Period.

* * *

The above is from a newspaper that is routinely as rightwing as The Washington Times.

Thanks for the heads-up that you find nothing morally wrong with racism. It's good to know the type of persons we're dealing with here.

I shouldn't have said "morally". I only meant legally. Thank you for calling that out.
 
Should Imus be sent to rehabilitation?

Who should expect an old-ass-white man to know the proper use of the term "Hoes", HE IS NOT SNOOP DOG! A media circus created to create more "racial dialogue", but more so for ratings.

Imus was fired at the discretion of his bosses. apparently, few if any of the most powerful people in the world who regularly appeared on his "offensive" show over the decades, democrat or republican, supported him, in fact, if I remember correctly JACK WELCH was on with frequency, which was probably a good indicator that they would be hard-pressed to appear again.

Management may have been looking for a means to can him, his show didn't have the best of ratings.

cut the hypocrisy with a chain saw indeed, just another white scapegoat ... this probably hasn't helped blacks much


(I found it funny at the end of Meet-The-Press when Eugene Robinson, a black journalist, had a good laugh about the "Cardinel", a grossly-offensive parody of a catholic caridenel that happens to be very funny ......)

:p :p
 
By KINKY FRIEDMAN
April 15, 2007 -- Author, musician and former Texas gubernatorial candidate Kinky Friedman has been friends with Don Imus since 1975, when they met on stage at The Bottom Line.

I MET Imus on the gangplank of Noah's Ark. He was then and remains today a truth-seeking missile with the best bull-meter in the business.

Far from being a bully, he was a spiritual chop-buster never afraid to go after the big guys with nothing but the slingshot of ragged integrity. I watched him over the years as he struggled with his demons and conquered them. This was not surprising to me.

Imus came from the Great Southwest, where the men are men and the emus are nervous. And he did it all with something that seems, indeed, to be a rather scarce commodity these days. A sense of humor.

There's no excusing Imus' recent ridiculous remark, but there's something not kosher in America when one guy gets a Grammy and one gets fired for the same line.

The Matt Lauers and Al Rokers of this world live by the cue-card and die by the cue-card; Imus is a rare bird, indeed - he works without a net. When you work without a net as long as Imus has, sometimes you make mistakes.

Wavy Gravy says he salutes mistakes. They're what makes us human, he claims. And humanity beyond doubt, is what appears to be missing from this equation. If we've lost the ability to laugh at ourselves, to laugh at each other, to laugh together, then the PC world has succeeded in diminishing us all.

Political correctness, a term first used by Joseph Stalin, has trivialized, sanitized and homogenized America, transforming us into a nation of chain establishments and chain people.

Take heart, Imus. You're merely joining a long and legendary laundry list of individuals who were summarily sacrificed in the name of society's sanctimonious soul: Socrates, Jesus, Galileo, Joan of Arc, Mozart and Mark Twain, who was decried as a racist until the day he died for using the N-word rather prolifically in "Huckleberry Finn."

Speaking of which, there will always be plenty of Al Sharptons and Jesse Jacksons around. There will be plenty of cowardly executives, plenty of fair-weather friends, and plenty of Jehovah's Bystanders, people who believe in God but just don't want to get involved. In this crowd, it could be argued that we need a Don Imus just to wake us up once in a while.

There probably isn't a single one of Imus' vocal critics who come anywhere close to matching his record of philanthropy or good acts on this earth.

Judge a man by the size of his enemies, my father used to say. A man who, year after year, has raised countless millions of dollars and has fought hand-to-hand to combat against childhood cancer, autism, and SIDS - well, you've got a rodeo clown who not only rescues the cowboy, but saves the children as well.

I believe New York will miss its crazy cowboy and America will miss the voice of a free-thinking independent-minded, rugged individualist. I believe MSNBC will lose many viewers and CBS radio many listeners.

Too bad for them. That's what happens when you get rid of the only guy you've got who knows how to ride, shoot straight and tell the truth.
 
Quote from pattersb:

Should Imus be sent to rehabilitation?

Who should expect an old-ass-white man to know the proper use of the term "Hoes", HE IS NOT SNOOP DOG! A media circus created to create more "racial dialogue", but more so for ratings.

Imus was fired at the discretion of his bosses. apparently, few if any of the most powerful people in the world who regularly appeared on his "offensive" show over the decades, democrat or republican, supported him, in fact, if I remember correctly JACK WELCH was on with frequency, which was probably a good indicator that they would be hard-pressed to appear again.

Management may have been looking for a means to can him, his show didn't have the best of ratings.

cut the hypocrisy with a chain saw indeed, just another white scapegoat ... this probably hasn't helped blacks much


(I found it funny at the end of Meet-The-Press when Eugene Robinson, a black journalist, had a good laugh about the "Cardinel", a grossly-offensive parody of a catholic caridenel that happens to be very funny ......)

:p :p

I saw that Meet the Press. The odd thing is, some of Bernie's bits shocked me, of course only because they were on TV.

For example, as Cardinal Egan, he would do, "Time to play which one doesn't belong. Hillary Clinton, Jenna Jameson, Don Imus." And Imus would go "well, of course, me." Bernie would reply" wrong you shriveled up old stooge, it's Hillary Clinton, because unlike the other two, she'd never had a man blow a load in her face." Now I thought that was a bit over the top, and I couldn't understand how they got away with it. But he did a variation of that everytime, and noone would say a word. Ten minutes later, Harold Ford would come on.
I guess it was just time.

I will say, how easy it is to make a mistake. I had to check my own post about the "morally" part. That's how easy it is to err. I was shocked I did it. And like they say, Imus lived on the edge. It was going to happen. they keep saying,'out of a job'. He made 10mm a year. It's not like he's one of the Circuit City 3500.
 
Quote from nutmeg:

By KINKY FRIEDMAN
April 15, 2007 -- Author, musician and former Texas gubernatorial candidate Kinky Friedman has been friends with Don Imus since 1975, when they met on stage at The Bottom Line.

...

There's no excusing Imus' recent ridiculous remark, but there's something not kosher in America when one guy gets a Grammy and one gets fired for the same line.
Trying To Have It Both Ways, Part 1:
What Imus said was inexcusable, but let's drag out the "rappers do it too!" excuse anyway.

Quote from nutmeg:

By KINKY FRIEDMAN
April 15, 2007 -- Author, musician and former Texas gubernatorial candidate Kinky Friedman has been friends with Don Imus since 1975, when they met on stage at The Bottom Line.

...

The Matt Lauers and Al Rokers of this world live by the cue-card and die by the cue-card; Imus is a rare bird, indeed - he works without a net. When you work without a net as long as Imus has, sometimes you make mistakes.

Wavy Gravy says he salutes mistakes. They're what makes us human, he claims. And humanity beyond doubt, is what appears to be missing from this equation.

Trying To Have It Both Ways, Part 2:
What Imus said was inexcusable, but now let's call it a mistake (i.e., unintentional, and therefore probably excusable afterall.)


The last time kut checked, what made us human was opposable thumbs and brains capable of abstract thoughts. Animals make mistakes all the time. I certainly hope it takes more than screwups to make us human.

Quote from nutmeg:

By KINKY FRIEDMAN
April 15, 2007 -- Author, musician and former Texas gubernatorial candidate Kinky Friedman has been friends with Don Imus since 1975, when they met on stage at The Bottom Line.

...

If we've lost the ability to laugh at ourselves, to laugh at each other, to laugh together, then the PC world has succeeded in diminishing us all.

Political correctness, a term first used by Joseph Stalin, has trivialized, sanitized and homogenized America, transforming us into a nation of chain establishments and chain people.

Take heart, Imus. You're merely joining a long and legendary laundry list of individuals who were summarily sacrificed in the name of society's sanctimonious soul: Socrates, Jesus, Galileo, Joan of Arc, Mozart and Mark Twain, who was decried as a racist until the day he died for using the N-word rather prolifically in "Huckleberry Finn."

Trying To Have It Every Which Way:
What Imus said was inexcusable, but now the victims of Imus' latest attack should just suck it up and accept racial and sexual put-downs from a great man who rightly should be in the same company as Jesus Christ and Socrates, by God!!

Hell, not slinging the n-word around is just that ol' godless commie political correctness all you minorities and pinko hippies is allus cryin' about. Now get back to the back of the bus and shut up. I got some watermelon jokes I wanna lay on ya.


Yeah, nutmeg, Professor Kinky has got me convinced.
 
What Imus said was inexcusable, but now the victims of Imus' latest attack

What fucking victims, nitwit? Any time anybody gets insulted he is a "victim"?
In this fucking country everybody is a "victim" unless you are while male then it's an open season, no mercy for you.
You are an idiot and now you can go to cry, moan and complain you've been "victimized".
If I had a power it would be mandatory for every fucking American to go to live and earn living in any country with less then $5,000 GDP per head. It would teach idiots like you about life priorities what's important and what's not. Victims, my ass!!!
You were sheltered and well protected all your life weren't you?? I can hear you now bitching about harshness of life in the U.S., please spare us. I would like to call you an idiot again but I won't, I don't want you to get a nervous breakdown or even worse!
 
Victims are everywhere. Need somma that media pr spin and Imus will be a victim.

Disclaimer, I didn't read the article.



"Alton Maddox: Nifong is a white racism victim


Michael Gaynor Michael Gaynor
January 29, 2007


Wikipedia: "Alton H. Maddox, Jr. is a lawyer who was disbarred following his involvement in the Tawana Brawley hoax. Maddox, C. Vernon Mason and the Reverend Al Sharpton were successfully sued over the matter and ordered to pay damages to Steven Pagones, the assistant district attorney [they] defamed."

It figures that Mr. Maddox is championing Durham County, North Carolina District Attorney Michael B. Nifong as a hero being destroyed by white racists."

cont on link..

http://www.renewamerica.us/columns/gaynor/070129
 
Quote from Cesko:

What fucking victims, nitwit?

The Rutgers' women basketball team, fuckwit.

Any time anybody gets insulted he is a "victim"?

How many kids do YOU know who've been insulted on fucking NATIONAL TV??

Have YOU ever been insulted on national TV? Hell no. If you had been, we'd be hearing YOU crying about it nonstop.

How is it that wastes of skin who've never had it hard are always telling everybody else to "get over it"?

In this fucking country everybody is a "victim" unless you are while male then it's an open season, no mercy for you.

You're so full of shit, you should start a one-man fertilizer company.

There are victims of all races in this Bushized nation, but klanboys like you only see one race. Why is that? What happened to the Duke guys was awful, and I hope they get full restitution but why does it have to be an either-or choice between them and the Rutgers' ladies? That's a false dichotomy YOU choose to make, bcause everything is about racial divisions in your tiny bigoted mind.

Check yourself before you wreck yourself, punkass imbecile.
 
Quote from kut2k2:

Here's why.


Fourth, this isn't the first time Imus has stepped over the line. He's been warned before about some things he was saying. So the only real surprise was that he was finally being held to account for his latest offense. Happens everyday to ordinary workers.


Not only has it not been the first time it will also not be the last..."They" used Imus like a puppet ( not that he didnt deserve it ); "THEY" being Sharpton and the thugs they use to extort money from the sponsors. You better wake the f**k up homey and smell the coffee. This goes on daily in the black community and you dont hear even so much as a peep. Russell Simmons quote is a joke...feel it my ass...With so much going on I cant believe the media let the hype get out of control. "Victims" ...are you kidding me?? If this offended these woman you also should give them a shot of "wake the F**k up and smell the coffee" as well. The businees world and life will chew them up and spit them out..

nutmeg asked if this was our daughter what would we say...id say..

"there are assholes in this world and you cant really control what they say or do; you can only control how you view it or react to it. Now; go on and get your 15 minutes of fame honey you are on TV.".....:D
 
Quote from Cesko:

What Imus said was inexcusable, but now the victims of Imus' latest attack

What fucking victims, nitwit? Any time anybody gets insulted he is a "victim"?
In this fucking country everybody is a "victim" unless you are while male then it's an open season, no mercy for you.
You are an idiot and now you can go to cry, moan and complain you've been "victimized".
If I had a power it would be mandatory for every fucking American to go to live and earn living in any country with less then $5,000 GDP per head. It would teach idiots like you about life priorities what's important and what's not. Victims, my ass!!!
You were sheltered and well protected all your life weren't you?? I can hear you now bitching about harshness of life in the U.S., please spare us. I would like to call you an idiot again but I won't, I don't want you to get a nervous breakdown or even worse!

I-Man is that you???

Rennick

ps. nice post:D
 
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