Dominionists are Funding the "Intelligent Design" Fundamentalist Political Faction

[Thunderdog]

Quote from maxpi:

...progress...

You are a comedian without peer.

 

[2cents]

Quote from jem:

you can pitch it anyone you want but the ID movement has a lot to do with the cosmological constant. I care not who the messenger is, I care about the science.

ok why don't we talk eugenics then... since the ID nazi apologetics attribute it squarely to Darwin, a great scientist of yore...

how do you determine / judge that that's less important an issue than happily associating with John West & Co's ID dominionist-funded movement because they also "have a lot to do with the cosmological constant"?



"Discoveryfs Plan B has popped up with increasing frequency over a number of months, but got its official launch with speeches in Washington and Philadelphia earlier this week by Discovery fellow John West that quickly cut the Nazifs six million victims to ghundred of thousands.h

According to West, gDarwinismh is responsible for gthe eugenics movement that sterilized scores of thousands of Americans deemed unfit in the early decades of the last century, the concurrent rise of the abortion movement, and the extermination of hundreds of thousands of supposed social undesirables by the Nazis in Germany.h


" And what is the connection between the Dominionists fascism and the DI?

None other than Howard Ahmanson, a wealthy Californian who is heir to the Home Savings bank fortune. In the e70s Ahmanson joined Rushdoonyfs Christian Reconstructionist movement and served as a board member of Rushdoonyfs Chalcedon Foundation for over ten years.

Ahmanson currently serves on Discoveryfs board of directors and is its largest contributor. His gift of $1.5 million provided the seed money to organize Discoveryfs Center for Science and Culture.

So, as West, Weikart and the other Discovery fellows go about their business, speaking their codespeak, linking Darwin and evolution to Hitler, they draw their pay from modern American fascists, Holocaust deniers, racists, homophobes, and apologists for the Nazi eugenics. "

 

[murray t turtle]

Quote from 2cents:

http://evilbender.wordpress.com/200...t-the-discovery-institutes-disturbing-legacy/

In case you missed it: the Discovery Institutefs Disturbing Legacy May 3, 2007
Posted by Evil Bender in constiutional issues, wingnuts, bigotry, Science, Religion. trackback
Pat Hayes at Red State Rabble posted a brief history of the Discovery Institutefs newest tactic today. Itfs a must-read. Check it out!

Hayes explains,

"When Judge John Jones ruled, in December of 2005, that intelligent design isnft science and the only real effect of the Dover school boardfs ID policy was to advance religion, the Discovery Institute, a Seattle-based intelligent design advocacy group, found itself with a problem on its hands."

"Discoveryfs strategy, its very raison dfetre, had been to promote a renamed and re-branded creationism as science in order to skirt a damaging series of court rulings, most prominently the 1987 Supreme Court Edwards v. Aguillard decision, in order to bring both God and Genesis back into the nationfs public school science classes."

Defeated in the courts, hemorrhaging allies, losing local elections and failing to produce any real science, what is the DI to do?

"Discoveryfs Plan B has popped up with increasing frequency over a number of months, but got its official launch with speeches in Washington and Philadelphia earlier this week by Discovery fellow John West that quickly cut the Nazifs six million victims to ghundred of thousands.h

According to West, gDarwinismh is responsible for gthe eugenics movement that sterilized scores of thousands of Americans deemed unfit in the early decades of the last century, the concurrent rise of the abortion movement, and the extermination of hundreds of thousands of supposed social undesirables by the Nazis in Germany.h "

Of course this would be the latest plot of these dishonest psuedoscholars: Godwinfs law exists because people call gNazih when defeated in legitimate argument. But in reality Darwin is no more to blame for such atrocity than is Jesus Christ, whose teachings the Nazis appropriated to make their case.


More damning than this juvenile and desperate new strategy, though, is the true history of the DIfs leadership:

"In tracing the history of Christian fascism in the United States Hedges explains the seminal role played by Rousas Rushdooney, the founder of the Dominionism, the theology behind Christian Reconstructionism.

Rushdooney gdismissed the number of 6 million Jews killed in the Holocaust as an inflated figure and his theories on race echoed Nazi Eugenics,h according to Hedges.

gThe white man has behind him centuries of Christian culture and the discipline and selective breeding this faith requiresc,h Rushdooney wrote. gThe Negro is a product of a radically different past, and his heredity has been governed by radically different considerations.h "

And what is the connection between the Dominionists fascism and the DI?

"None other than Howard Ahmanson, a wealthy Californian who is heir to the Home Savings bank fortune. In the e70s Ahmanson joined Rushdoonyfs Christian Reconstructionist movement and served as a board member of Rushdoonyfs Chalcedon Foundation for over ten years.

Ahmanson currently serves on Discoveryfs board of directors and is its largest contributor. His gift of $1.5 million provided the seed money to organize Discoveryfs Center for Science and Culture.

So, as West, Weikart and the other Discovery fellows go about their business, speaking their codespeak, linking Darwin and evolution to Hitler, they draw their pay from modern American fascists, Holocaust deniers, racists, homophobes, and apologists for the Nazi eugenics.

Thatfs Discoveryfs disturbing legacy. "

Thatfs a direct connection, my friends, between the DI and those whose stated goal is to make America into a Christian Theocracy. Unlike Darwin, whose ideas were misused by those seeking any justification for the evil they wished to commit, the DI is willingly taking funding from those whose goal is to take our country over.

But remember, folks, Intelligent Design has nothing to do with religion...

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Thanks;
Rushdoony/magazine [no relaiton to Rush Limbaugh]
actually seemed to wrongly write off Ronald Reagan , simply because RR was an actor in earlier part of his life.

And i wonder what Judge Jones will do when he stands before the God of Israel[judge of the universe]????????????????


Hope he or she ''settles out of court'' before he or she arrives.

 

[murray t turtle]

Quote from jem:

you can pitch it anyone you want but the ID movement has a lot to do with the cosmological constant. I care not who the messenger is, I care about the science.


There are three camps attempting to explain the fine tunings.

The hope of the unique mathematical solution camp -

(occupied by perhaps most of science. and based on faith of a future discovery)

The fine tunings appear to be evidence of design camp -

occupied by some scientists and some astute observers of science, some well educated religious thinkers, most church leaders, and some wackos. (Interestingly this position is the least faith based based on current science.)

The fine tunings would be evidence of design but for the fact that we might have billiions and billions of alternative universe camp. -

Many top physicists are converting to this camp- it is faith based at the moment.

It is a delicious irony that the two "scientific" positions are faith based.


I have the words of top physicists and nobel prize winners to support my claim.

In fact the STU last quote in the id thread was taken from a recent letter by a nobel prize winner -- and it pretty much lays out what I have stated here.

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Good valuable points.Jem;
most of yours are.

Some athiests like the false hope that some Judeo-Christian teachings are low probability;
big problem with that,sun/stars are low probibility.A sun/star is a mass of incandescent,glowing gas.LOL

A slight disagreement, even though i dont believe exactly like orthodox Jewish leaders;
i would rather get my info thru them, than any holocost denier.

And agree that the message is greater than messenger.

 

[jem]

I am not sure what you just said because I am at a lost for time and did not pick up on the first read.

Look I do not like liars. If the discovery institute is purposely lying -then they are scum.

My point is that you have very good scientists saying the universe appears designed. Who cares some of the people who make the same statement are also quacks. I am sure they also believe that 1 plus 1 equals 2.

 

[I am...]

Quote from maxpi:

A poll in USA Today recently had more people believing in creation than evolution. I think that is tremendous progress considering that every public school in the USA is indoctrinating children into evolution.

What appears to be designed is not creation...not where I come from.



Jesus

 

[jem]

Quote from jem:

I am not sure what you just said because I am at a lost for time and did not pick up on the first read.

Look I do not like liars. If the discovery institute is purposely lying -then they are scum.

My point is that you have very good scientists saying the universe appears designed. Who cares some of the people who make the same statement are also quacks. I am sure they also believe that 1 plus 1 equals 2.

that was at a loss for time --- and pick "it" up.

 

[2cents]

Quote from jem:

I am not sure what you just said because I am at a lost for time and did not pick up on the first read.

Look I do not like liars. If the discovery institute is purposely lying -then they are scum.

My point is that you have very good scientists saying the universe appears designed. Who cares some of the people who make the same statement are also quacks. I am sure they also believe that 1 plus 1 equals 2.

Lets not wander off-topic then, if you truly do not like liars

i've provided the quotes jem... you once were a lawyer... what sayeth you?



"Discoveryfs Plan B has popped up with increasing frequency over a number of months, but got its official launch with speeches in Washington and Philadelphia earlier this week by Discovery fellow John West that quickly cut the Nazifs six million victims to ghundred of thousands.h

According to West, gDarwinismh is responsible for gthe eugenics movement that sterilized scores of thousands of Americans deemed unfit in the early decades of the last century, the concurrent rise of the abortion movement, and the extermination of hundreds of thousands of supposed social undesirables by the Nazis in Germany.h


" And what is the connection between the Dominionists fascism and the DI?

None other than Howard Ahmanson, a wealthy Californian who is heir to the Home Savings bank fortune. In the e70s Ahmanson joined Rushdoonyfs Christian Reconstructionist movement and served as a board member of Rushdoonyfs Chalcedon Foundation for over ten years.

Ahmanson currently serves on Discoveryfs board of directors and is its largest contributor. His gift of $1.5 million provided the seed money to organize Discoveryfs Center for Science and Culture.

So, as West, Weikart and the other Discovery fellows go about their business, speaking their codespeak, linking Darwin and evolution to Hitler, they draw their pay from modern American fascists, Holocaust deniers, racists, homophobes, and apologists for the Nazi eugenics. "

 

[jem]

I am not sure if you are wondering or why you are even wondering it. And I am not sure why you are even bringing it up. I am not an evangelical so these guys mean nothing to me.

If you are wondering I get most of my teaching of protestant theology from Dr. Gene Scott, who recently died and most of my Catholic theology from the Church - as long as it is supported by the bible or in the absence of strong contrary argument original practices of the Church.



I don't support nazism and I don't think we should saying one groups genetic heritage is "better" than some other groups.

However, I am also against dopes who claim we are all the same. For instance on the whole black athletes are faster than white athletes in short distances.

We are different but equal in my legal and moral opinion.
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But why are you so concerned with the messenger instead of the message.


If a nazi said

e = mc squared

instead of einstein would you be saying its not true.

 

[2cents]

Quote from jem:

I am not sure if you are wondering or why you are even wondering it. And I am not sure why you are even bringing it up. I am not an evangelical so these guys mean nothing to me.

If you are wondering I get most of my teaching of protestant theology from Dr. Gene Scott, who recently died and most of my Catholic theology from the Church - as long as it is supported by the bible or in the absence of strong contrary argument original practices of the Church.



I don't support nazism and I don't think we should saying one groups genetic heritage is "better" than some other groups.

However, I am also against dopes who claim we are all the same. For instance on the whole black athletes are faster than white athletes in short distances.

We are different but equal in my legal and moral opinion.
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But why are you so concerned with the messenger instead of the message.


If a nazi said

e = mc squared

instead of einstein would you be saying its not true.

thanks for clarifying, and for being forward...

re "messages", the subject is not about any messages in particular, it is about a political faction that has chosen to (re)brand itself in a particular way, and to me calling oneself "a handful of roses" wldn't change who you are... the thread's subject is about who funds the movement and what sort of ideology drives them...

there are other threads for the type of message YOU are referring to and i am certain you understand the meaning of off-topic... lets not STU this if you don't mind

also, i don't play games starting with "if a nazi said..." ... its just not my sense of humor... but don't let that stop you...