Does science make belief in God obsolete?

Epiphany · May 22, 2008

Quote from Epiphany:

Templeton doesn't know his bible

"Do NOT put your Lord God to the test'

God answers prayers IF he wants to, and WHEN he wants to

Thus rendering any scientific experiment to prove the efficacy of prayer to be meaningless

Quote from Turok:

So what you're saying is this:

A: Thousands of Christian believers can, in good faith ask their Lord for help in healing the sick. These hypothetical believers are blind to the testing -- they only believe that someone needs help and have agreed to pray.

B: Thousands of deserving Christian believers who are sick can, in good faith believe they are being prayed for. These hypothetical believers are blind to the testing -- they only know they are sick and would appreciate any help their Lord is willing to give.

C: This God then will say "Screw them -- there is a test going on here ... I'm gonna show them and not help any of them. I WILL NOT BE TESTED!".

Reason # 4,356 the god you worship is is an A#$h$le.

JB

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Non-sequitor - take a class in logic

God will not be tested - in other words, God is not going to answer your prayer SIMPLY because you are asking him to prove his existence - though he might answer it anyways under those conditions BECAUSE it is in his will.

Thus - trying to prove that prayer works under the scientific method is impossible - since no one can discern God's will completely - there is only partial understanding (i.e. God has called me to help the orphans)

Ha - It is one thing to be agnostic, though it is quite another to go out and mock God.

I'm sure your arrogance carries over to your trading - which is the unforgivable sin for a trader

For the right to fade your calls - I am on the bid with major size

I am... · May 22, 2008

Quote from Epiphany:

Ha - It is one thing to be agnostic, though it is quite another to go out and mock God.

This world makes a mockery of God. But since it doesn't exist, God will not be mocked.

Jesus

TraderZones · May 22, 2008

Quote from smilingsynic:

If God is sovereign, all-powerful, and all-knowing (past, present, and future), prayer is meaningless, because a sovereign and omniscient God already has an eternal plan. Prayer would mess that up.

smilingsync again draws out stupidity from his trove of ignorance. Try this:

A) Prayer = communication with God (sovereign). Sovereign = royalty (kings, queens, emporers, etc.)

B) Very few human sovereigns considered "good" did away with communication. They often addressed the people, listened to their concerns, administered justice, oversaw the daily life, fought their enemies, etc..

So, how does your moronic statement fit here? ....NOT

If God is not sovereign, all-powerful, and all-knowing, then prayer is meaningless. Might as well talk to the wall.

True. But that has about the same effect as listening to your continuing mass ignorance.

Prayer changes things? The only thing it changes is the ego of the self-important person who prays. It increases.

You have the intelligence of a basketball

Scientifically speaking, prayer is also meaningless. Those who pray, please name me one amputee who was healed because of prayer, or one certainly dead person who was brought back from the dead.

Well, your brain was amputated, so I guess there is not much hope for you...

And I can name one feckless, smilingsync who couldn't think his way out of a box of kleenex...

Turok · May 22, 2008

Ep:
>Non-sequitor - take a class in logic

LOL -- how about you take a class in spelling.

>Ha - It is one thing to be agnostic, though it is
>quite another to go out and mock God.

Wow -- that's good. You're right, those are clearly two different things. Did you figure that out on your own or was that the level you're at in your own logic classes?

I'll stop mocking your A@s$o%6 god when he stops acting like and As&8*le. It's the most basic of logic after all.

>I'm sure your arrogance carries over to your
>trading - which is the unforgivable sin for a trader

My Intel processor knows no arrogance.

JB

Free Thinker · May 22, 2008

Quote from Epiphany:

From your perspective it is 'random.'

God's ways are higher than our ways. He is not random or capricious. He answers some prayers and leaves others unanswered for his own eternal purposes.

there has never been a verified case of a prayer changing an outcome.

maybe you could post your best example of an answered prayer for us to discuss.

smilingsynic · May 22, 2008

Quote from Epiphany:

He answers some prayers and leaves others unanswered for his own eternal purposes.

Two questions:

1. How do you KNOW God is a "He"?
2. How do you KNOW God answers prayers?

acronym · May 23, 2008

Quote from smilingsynic:

Two questions:

1. How do you KNOW God is a "He"?
2. How do you KNOW God answers prayers?

Say so in the bible apperently........of course, god is also, depending on culture, ravens, snakes, mermaids, 8 armed hook beaked deities, trunk nosed behemoths or half man/monkeys, among other things.

Man-bear -pig and al gore could get there eventually, but it seems to depend on the number of followers.

But if the virgin mary/vishnu/alah/man bear pig/al gore appears on a piece of toast, i will let you know...of course, parting with such a miracle would be difficult. But if the price is right..........

jem · May 23, 2008

Quote from vhehn:

there has never been a verified case of a prayer changing an outcome.

maybe you could post your best example of an answered prayer for us to discuss.

"There has never been a verified case of tobacco causing cancer".

Hey I do not care if you believe in prayer or not - but that was one of the weakest arguments you have made on ET. (which is a sort of a backhanded compliment.)

Free Thinker · May 23, 2008

Quote from jem:

"There has never been a verified case of tobacco causing cancer".

Hey I do not care if you believe in prayer or not - but that was one of the weakest arguments you have made on ET. (which is a sort of a backhanded compliment.)

most answered prayer goes like this. child gets sick. parents take child to hospital. doctors do everything possible to save child. it takes a little time so parents get a preacher to pray for the child. child recovers and the simple minded christian parents attribute it to god answering their prayer and totally dismiss what the doctors did.

Jerry030 · May 23, 2008

Quote from vhehn:

most answered prayer goes like this. child gets sick. parents take child to hospital. doctors do everything possible to save child. it takes a little time so parents get a preacher to pray for the child. child recovers and the simple minded christian parents attribute it to god answering their prayer and totally dismiss what the doctors did.

Has anyone tested prayer depending on the god the prayrers go to?

There are lots to choose from:

1) Thor
2) Allah
3) Shiva
4) The Jewish one
5) Zeus
6) Wankan Tanka
7) The old white guy with the beard

Perhaps some work better than others?

Perhaps you have to time it right...when they aren't sleeping or having dinner