Does science make belief in God obsolete?

Quote from jem:

On one hand you claim an understanding of the early (pre roman church) and on the other you claim there is almost no record of the historical Jesus. And that Christianity as we know it began with Paul.

Could you cite your sources because frankly that does not seem possible.

How do you know the early Christians did not think Jesus was devine?

How do you know that the Jews were not expecting a mesiah who was devine.

Have you read the old testament? Daniel? Isiah? (the passage as it existed prior to the advent of christianity)?

It just seems so odd that you know so much about the pre- roman chruch yet your information seems to discount so much of the limited surviving information we do have.


Regarding the cite vhehn gave -- if your read the link to the rebuttal case. You might heavily discounts vhehn's cite.

Vhehns guy pretty much admits his entire thesis must be at best conjecture.
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The historical evidence on the life of Jesus is weak. There is no primary source evidence to speak of. The gospels were recorded DECADES after Jesus's life, and these books are plagued with textual corruption and inconsistencies.

As for Roman and Jewish sources, the same: the sources were not composed during Jesus' lifetime, but decades thereafter. The sources are what historians would call secondary, and not primary, sources.

Likely Jesus did exist; but the details concerning his life and death are based on speculation.
 
Quote from smilingsynic:

The historical evidence on the life of Jesus is weak. There is no primary source evidence to speak of. The gospels were recorded DECADES after Jesus's life, and these books are plagued with textual corruption and inconsistencies.

As for Roman and Jewish sources, the same: the sources were not composed during Jesus' lifetime, but decades thereafter. The sources are what historians would call secondary, and not primary, sources.

Likely Jesus did exist; but the details concerning his life and death are based on speculation.
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This is a reasonable postulation. Now you are free to decipher what must have been lost-in-translation. What would Indiana Jones do? The rewards of discovering what transpired are stupendous. Any trader can comprehend the idea of exchange. You are promised literally everything for absolutely nothing. Paul led Christianity astray by proposing a gain of nothing for something...not at all different from the way of the Pharisee, of which school he attended. Consider Christianity to be upside down, backwards and opposite and you will begin to understand what is salvation. Paul promised a body for blood. I promised Spirit for free. The "cost" is everything that is nothing. Everything about this world of form is absolutely nothing, and must be seen as such in order for the exchange to transact. Dump this world like a naked Put in a bear market. Do whatever you have to do to get rid of it...literally get it out of your mind. Renounce it. Transcend it. Let it go. Overcome it. Do it now! This insane world is going down and will utterly pass away. Nothing will be left of it when Christ is through with it. Then you will know that you are the Christ. Then you will know you own everything in total abundance. Then you will know you are everything...reality itself.

Jesus
 
Quote from stu:

wtf ! "devine" !
Jesus not devine. Jesus degrapest.
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Does God care if God is divine? Compared to what? God is all. All that matters is that you understand that you are equal to God. That is the "reality" of the situation. Reality makes no comparisons. Yet while you deny reality, a comparison is necessary for your salvation. Christianity denies your reality by separating me out as the "only begotten son"...as if I were the only divine. There is but one Son, yes. But you are also that One. This is only hard to comprehend so long as you resist the message that this world constitutes the expression of the antithesis of what the Son is. The Son is one, so the world is many. The Son is real, so the world is unreal. The Son is not confused, so the world is utterly confused/confusing. The Son is the truth, so the world is every bit a lie. The Son is Life, so this world is all about death. The Son is equal to the Father. So this world expresses everything unequal and different. There is no heirarchy in heaven. So this world is all about heirarchy. Comprende? It's really very simple.

Jesus
 
Quote from rcanfiel, chickening out and posting under the username TraderZones because he was trounced and humiliated posting crap under his real username:

Impact is the most important evidence.
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lol... yep, that's solid logic. So that means that Santa Claus and Harry Potter are real.
 
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All that matters is that you understand that you are equal to God.
[....] Comprende? It's really very simple.

Jesus
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Unfortunately no Jesus dude, I don't and furthermore I really do not think it's reasonable to expect folks to understand that they are themselves equal to a figment of their imagination, especially for only the reason that you are simply playing around in flowery verbal description.

Although you may find it hard to appreciate, I do nevertheless understand your point of view and whilst I'm sure it appeals to those , erm let's say, of a certain persuasion, it doesn't impress me.
What does impress though, is the civil manner in which you always post in assertion of your consistent theme. Even though it is all self contradictory hippy speak, I appreciate your perfunctory politeness unlike that of many self- proclaimed theists in this thread, and is why I genuinely wish you do have a good day :)

stu.
 
Quote from traderNik:

lol... yep, that's solid logic. So that means that Santa Claus and Harry Potter are real.
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I just knew it was true !! Harry Potter Lives!

ok.
 
Does science make belief in God obsolete?


Yeah, sure, the same way science made the train obsolete. lol

"Rail travel at high speeds is not possible because passengers, unable to breathe, would die of asphyxia."
-- Dionysius Lardner, Professor of Natural Philosophy and Astronomy at University College, London, and author of The Steam Engine Explained and Illustrated, 1830s
 
You know, I just really knew there had to be a simple logical and sensible explanation. I must remember this next time someone tries to say science makes religion obsolete.
I shall quickly snap back into the conversation and say, hey, 170 years ago some fella said if trains go too fast, no one on it will be able to breathe. therefore God exists.

Yeah..that ought to do it.
It'll be the same guy that walked in front of all those cars with a red flag.

jeez loooeze.
 
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