Does QQQ follow a distinct trading pattern?

julian0625 · Apr 25, 2011

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You know a lot of information. How did you learn so much? Any books or classes or anything you can recommend to broaden my knowledge about trading?

Umm most of my knowledge came from trial and error and just watching the markets anytime I can.

For basic knowledge I just used google XD.

I have purchased many books and courses but with no use... wish my parents could have that money back.

The only thing I can reccomend is just constantly watch the market and take notes. One day watch the ES vs. the NQ. Another day watch the QQQ vs the NASDAQ TICK and so on.

Hope that helps!

TheGoonior · Apr 25, 2011

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1 - I do agree it might not work all the time, but what strategy will? I will be using a paper trading account to see how consistent I am without risking any capital quite yet.

2 - What do you mean by looking at new data only?

3 - How can risking more than I expect to profit be a problem? Can you explain this a little bit more? A tad bit confused.

1) You need to be careful to prove to yourself that this is a valid method and not just based on "data mining." For example, something like picking the presidency based on previous Super Bowl winners may appear promising, but has no actual connection to the results, so it's merely a coincidence.

2) Forward test will prevent you from knowingly or unknowingly modifying your system based on the fact that you have information you won't normally have (future prices).

3) Any system will experience runs, both positive and negative. If your average trade risks more than it profits, a lengthy negative run could (in theory) wipe you out (or at least destroy you psychologically).

shotse · Apr 25, 2011

Quote from TheGoonior:

1) You need to be careful to prove to yourself that this is a valid method and not just based on "data mining." For example, something like picking the presidency based on previous Super Bowl winners may appear promising, but has no actual connection to the results, so it's merely a coincidence.

2) Forward test will prevent you from knowingly or unknowingly modifying your system based on the fact that you have information you won't normally have (future prices).

3) Any system will experience runs, both positive and negative. If your average trade risks more than it profits, a lengthy negative run could (in theory) wipe you out (or at least destroy you psychologically).

Thank you for answering my question. I will have to revise my plan.

nazzdack · Apr 25, 2011

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2 - What do you mean by looking at new data only?
3 - How can risking more than I expect to profit be a problem?

1) Somebody else mentioned "forward testing". To look at "old" data can be deceiving. To only look at fresh/new market data each day will force you to be more objective instead of taking comfort from the past.
2) When traders risk more than they expect to make, it can be indicative of perfectionism. Your system has to be "too good" to do well.

nazzdack · Apr 25, 2011

Quote from shotse:
----bullish bias towards the market.
----the natural way for things to go is up.
----Plants....
----Companies....

?....you weren't around yet in 2008.

OTCkrak · Apr 26, 2011

Etrade Pro - lulz

shotse · Apr 26, 2011

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Etrade Pro - lulz

What do you think is a good trading platform?

murray t turtle · Apr 26, 2011

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I agree I do have too much of a bullish bias towards the market. I guess I have a bullish-bias towards the market because I believe that the natural way for things to go is up. Plants grow and plants die. Companies grow and companies die. It's the law of nature and common sense in a way. All good things must come to an end too.

But you are absolutely right. I need to change that if I want to become a more successful trader. Thanks for that tidbit of information!

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Good points/shots,sharpshooter;
also ,QQQ tends to outperform SPY ,DIA[better %% moves up;better %% moves down] mostly.Actually a bullish bias in a bull market could help you a lot.Several good ways to define a bull market or uptrend. IBD uses a 200 day moving average.

Also, a long/ bullish bias in a bear market could hurt you & your fund a lot, for a ''long time''. Residental real estate, [which differs from commercial or farm RE]in my area , more than 200 day downtrend,is still in a downtrend. Marketing times still averages 191+/ days ..... Investors may like to buy low;
but your questiion was about trading.

shotse · Apr 26, 2011

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Good points/shots,sharpshooter;
also ,QQQ tends to outperform SPY ,DIA[better %% moves up;better %% moves down] mostly.Actually a bullish bias in a bull market could help you a lot.Several good ways to define a bull market or uptrend. IBD uses a 200 day moving average.

Also, a long/ bullish bias in a bear market could hurt you & your fund a lot, for a ''long time. Residental real estate, [which differs from commercial or farm RE]in my area , more than 200days,is in a downtrend.Marketing times still averages 191 days .....

So what your trying to say is that QQQ outperforms SPY and DIA by that it moves up and moves down a higher percentage than them.

How would you suggest figuring out if we are in a bull or bear market? Would using a 200 day moving average or a trend be suitable enough?

Also, I do agree with what you have said that a bullish bias in a bull market can help me a lot. I'm a short term trader holding positions from 1 day to 5 days so I think what you have said that being in a long position with a bullish bias doesn't really represent myself as a trader. Portfolio diversification is important, but my bullish bias is only for short term.

murray t turtle · Apr 26, 2011

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So what your trying to say is that QQQ outperforms SPY and DIA by that it moves up and moves down a higher percentage than them.

How would you suggest figuring out if we are in a bull or bear market? Would using a 200 day moving average or a trend be suitable enough?

Also, I do agree with what you have said that a bullish bias in a bull market can help me a lot. I'm a short term trader holding positions from 1 day to 5 days so I think what you have said that being in a long position with a bullish bias doesn't really represent myself as a trader. Portfolio diversification is important, but my bullish bias is only for short term.

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Sharpshooter;
a] yes, exactly, most of the time.

z]Yes ,on 200dma .
I dont use it in a mechanical sense, but daily chart parabolic stop & reverse[also named parabolic time/price] is a handy indicator, for example when silver/SLV goes parabolic, QQQ goes [did go anyway-LOL]QQQ goes parabolic@$120 area

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It [parabolic]will still be bullish ;
but it snuggs up the stops a bit so you or me doesnt stay bullish/give up gains all the way down to 200dma.

So as a clarification, SLV, parabolic stop & reverse area is about $43 more or less , 200 dma is about $25 more or less.Wisdom is profitable to direct.

Actually i have a bullish bias on SLV, silver, still;
but i respect the short term bears always.
------------------------------------------------------Granddad gave me a silver .50 coin, i shouldnt have sold it, so soon.

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Even if one doesnt like a parabolic indicator;
a short term [or medium term trend trader/ investor like me]
got really less bullish when SLV made 7 or 8 higher lows[in a row] on daily candlecharts.No wonder the bears came out.LOL