Does God Suffer From Vanity?

I would give "credence" to people of any faith, including evolution of life from nothing, as long as their actions did not interfere my right to practice my own beliefs. Why would I expect someone to respect my personal beliefs if I did not extend them the same courtesy? Understand, I differentiate personal beliefs from those which are put into action in a political or coercive manner, or any other action that threatens my right of personal beliefs and to practice those beliefs as I see fit.

I continue to be amused how people like you compare the concept of God to Santa Claus or a flying unicorn etc., as to the best of my knowledge, St. Nick and a flying unicorn are not generally thought of as God.

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So then, you would give equal credence to someone who believes, and has faith in, the existence of flying unicorns as you would to someone who believes in evolution? Equal weight?
 
Is it irrational for a child to believe in Santa Claus? If not, how can it be irrational for a man to believe in god?

"Material evidence" is wholly subjective when trying to prove a negative. Many view trees as "material evidence" of a divinity.


Merry Xmas!


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it would be more accurate if you asked Is it irrational for a grownup to believe in Santa Claus? then you comparison would be correct. is it irrational for a grownup to believe in Santa Claus? If so, how can it be rational for a man to believe in an imaginary god?
 
Do you think Santa Claus is God? I am confused why people think of Santa Claus as God. Conceptually, I don't remember any stories of St. Nick where he was depicted as the creator of the Universe.

Was an imagination of gamma rays, before direct evidence of gamma rays a false imagination?

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it would be more accurate if you asked Is it irrational for a grownup to believe in Santa Claus? then you comparison would be correct. is it irrational for a grownup to believe in Santa Claus? If so, how can it be rational for a man to believe in an imaginary god?
 
Okay, that is your faith, that flying unicorns created the earth and people and continue to protect those who believe in them. Fine by me. To each their own.

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Because the flying unicorns created the earth and people. They continue to protect those who believe in them.
 
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Do you think Santa Claus is God? I am confused why people think of Santa Claus as God. Conceptually, I don't remember any stories of St. Nick where he was depicted as the creator of the Universe.


santa clause is on equal footing with god as far as the evidence for his existence goes. many books have been written about santa. millions of children will testify to his existence, the weather channel can track santa on radar, the post office has Santa address and millions of people write letters to santa every year. how can you doubt the existence of santa? many believe santa exists and you can not prove santa does not exist.
is it rational to believe santa exists?
 
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Okay, that is your faith, that flying unicorns created the earth and people and continue to protect those who believe in them. Fine by me. To each their own.
Since you give all beliefs equal weight, should then the belief of flying unicorns be taught alongside Intelligent Design in science classes across the country? After all, the premise of flying unicorns has yet to be conclusively disproved.
 
Gamma rays were also on equal footing with Santa and God as far as known existence at one time...as anyone who suggested the existence of gamma rays had no empirical data to support that claim.

I am agnostic on Santa, but if you want to write to him, fine by me.

Personally, I don't spend time worrying about the personal beliefs of others, if they want to believe in St. Nick, fine by me...

I do wonder why the atheists are so obsessed with Santa, maybe they had bad childhood experiences...

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santa clause is on equal footing with god as far as the evidence for his existence goes. many books have been written about santa. millions of children will testify to his existence, the weather channel can track santa on radar, the post office has Santa address and millions of people write letters to santa every year. how can you doubt the existence of santa? many believe santa exists and you can not prove santa does not exist.
is it rational to believe santa exists?
 
Do you know anyone who says flying unicorns are the source of biological life?

I think you are purposely misrepresenting my position about what should be taught in the public school system. I oppose the teaching of both ID and non ID, but if non ID must be taught, then I think it only fair that ID also be taught.



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Since you give all beliefs equal weight, should then the belief of flying unicorns be taught alongside Intelligent Design in science classes across the country? After all, the premise of flying unicorns has yet to be conclusively disproved.
 
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is it rational to believe santa exists?

I. There are approximately two billion children (persons under 18) in the world. However, since Santa does not visit children of Muslim, Hindu, Jewish or Buddhist religions, this reduces the workload for Christmas night to 15% of the total, or 378 million (according to the Population Reference Bureau). At an average (census) rate of 3.5 children per house hold, that comes to 108 million homes, presuming that there is at least one good child in each.

II. Santa has about 31 hours of Christmas to work with, thanks to the different time zones and the rotation of the earth, assuming he travels east to west (which seems logical). This works out to 967.7 visits per second.

This is to say that for each Christian household with a good child, Santa has around 1/1000th of a second to park the sleigh, hop out, jump down the chimney, fill the stockings, distribute the remaining presents under the tree, eat whatever snacks have been left for him, get back up the chimney, jump into the sleigh and get on to the next house. Assuming that each of these 108 million stops is evenly distributed around the earth (which, of course, we know to be false, but will accept for the purposes of our calculations), we are now talking about 0.78 miles per household; a total trip of 75.5 million miles, not counting bathroom stops or breaks. This means Santa's sleigh is moving at 650 miles per second -- 3,000 times the speed of sound. For purposes of comparison, the fastest man-made vehicle, the Ulysses space probe, moves at a poky 27.4 miles per second, and a conventional Reindeer can run (at best) 15 miles per hour.

III. The payload of the sleigh adds another interesting element. Assuming that each child gets nothing more than a medium sized Lego set (two pounds), the sleigh is carrying over 500 thousand tons, not counting Santa himself (who is reported to be overweight). On land, a conventional Reindeer can pull no more than 300 pounds. Even granting that the "flying" Reindeer could pull ten times the normal amount, the job can't be done with eight or even nine of them -- Santa would need 360,000 of them. This increases the payload, not counting the weight of the sleigh, another 54,000 tons, or roughly seven times the weight of the Queen Elizabeth (the ship, not the monarch).

IV. 600,000 tons traveling at 650 miles per second crates enormous air resistance -- this would heat up the Reindeer in the same fashion as a spacecraft re-entering the earth's atmosphere. The lead pair of Reindeer would absorb 14.3 quintillion joules of energy per second each. In short, they would burst into flames almost instantaneously, exposing the Reindeer behind them and creating deafening sonic booms in their wake. The entire Reindeer team would be vaporized within 4.26 thousandths of a second, or right about the time Santa reached the fifth house on his trip. Not that it matters, however, since Santa, as a result of accelerating from a dead stop to 650 m.p.s. in .001 seconds, would be subjected to forces of 17,500 g's. A 250 pound Santa (which seems ludicrously slim) would be pinned to the back of the sleigh by 4,315,015 pounds of force, instantly crushing his bones and organs and reducing him to a quivering blob of pink goo.

V. Therefore, if Santa did exist, he's dead now.
 
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question: WHY would someone believe in flying unicorns?
What value is there to it?

Is this a joke? Do you not see the evidence of the flying unicorns all around you? Do you seriously think that life on earth just spontaneously appeared? Do you think it's a result of random ignorant chance?
 
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