Doctors refuse to treat the unvaccinated -- Welcome to the new ethical minefield

jem said:
what a fake science touting lying moron you are.. the definition has not changed...

Updated Aug. 20, 2021



Overview
Adults of any age with the following conditions can be more likely to get severely ill from COVID-19. Severe illness means that a person with COVID-19 may need:

  • Hospitalization
  • Intensive care
  • A ventilator to help them breathe
  • Or they may even die

...

Medical Conditions in Adults
  • This list is presented in alphabetical order and not in order of risk.
  • CDC completed an evidence review process for each medical condition on this list to ensure they met criteria for inclusion on this webpage.
  • We are learning more about COVID-19 every day, and this list may be updated as the science evolves.
Cancer
Having cancer can make you more likely to get severely ill from COVID-19. Treatments for many types of cancer can weaken your body’s ability to fight off disease. At this time, based on available studies, having a history of cancer may increase your risk.

Get more information:

Chronic kidney disease
Having chronic kidney disease of any stage can make you more likely to get severely ill from COVID-19.

Get more information:

Chronic lung diseases, including COPD (chronic obstructive pulmonary disease), asthma (moderate-to-severe), interstitial lung disease, cystic fibrosis, and pulmonary hypertension
Chronic lung diseases can make you more likely to get severely ill from COVID-19. These diseases may include:

  • Asthma, if it’s moderate to severe
  • Chronic obstructive pulmonary disease (COPD), including emphysema and chronic bronchitis
  • Having damaged or scarred lung tissue such as interstitial lung disease (including idiopathic pulmonary fibrosis)
  • Cystic fibrosis, with or without lung or other solid organ transplant
  • Pulmonary hypertension (high blood pressure in the lungs)
Get more information:

Dementia or other neurological conditions
Having neurological conditions, such as dementia, can make you more likely to get severely ill from COVID-19.

Get more information:

Diabetes (type 1 or type 2)
Having either type 1 or type 2 diabetes can make you more likely to get severely ill from COVID-19.

Get more information:

Down syndrome
Having Down syndrome can make you more likely to get severely ill from COVID-19.

Get more information:

Heart conditions (such as heart failure, coronary artery disease, cardiomyopathies or hypertension)
Having heart conditions such as heart failure, coronary artery disease, cardiomyopathies, and possibly high blood pressure (hypertension) can make you more likely to get severely ill from COVID-19.

Get more information:

HIV infection
Having HIV (Human Immunodeficiency Virus) can make you more likely to get severely ill from COVID-19.

Get more information:

Immunocompromised state (weakened immune system)
Having a weakened immune system can make you more likely to get severely ill from COVID-19. Many conditions and treatments can cause a person to be immunocompromised or have a weakened immune system. Primary immunodeficiency is caused by genetic defects that can be inherited. Prolonged use of corticosteroids or other immune weakening medicines can lead to secondary or acquired immunodeficiency.

People who have a condition or are taking medications that weaken their immune system may not be fully protected even if they are fully vaccinated. They should continue to take all precautions recommended for unvaccinated people, including wearing a well-fitted mask, until advised otherwise by their healthcare provider.

Get more information:

Liver disease
Having chronic liver disease, such as alcohol-related liver disease, nonalcoholic fatty liver disease, and especially cirrhosis, or scarring of the liver, can make you more likely to get severely ill from COVID-19.

Get more information:

Overweight and obesity
Overweight (defined as a body mass index (BMI) > 25 kg/m2 but < 30 kg/m2), obesity (BMI ≥30 kg/m2 but < 40 kg/m2), or severe obesity (BMI of ≥40 kg/m2), can make you more likely to get severely ill from COVID-19. The risk of severe COVID-19 illness increases sharply with elevated BMI.

Get more information:

Pregnancy
Pregnant and recently pregnant people (for at least 42 days following end of pregnancy) are more likely to get severely ill from COVID-19 compared with non-pregnant people.

Get more information:

Sickle cell disease or thalassemia
Having hemoglobin blood disorders like sickle cell disease (SCD) or thalassemia can make you more likely to get severely ill from COVID-19.

Get more information:

Smoking, current or former
Being a current or former cigarette smoker can make you more likely to get severely ill from COVID-19. If you currently smoke, quit. If you used to smoke, don’t start again. If you’ve never smoked, don’t start.

Get more information:

Solid organ or blood stem cell transplant
Having had a solid organ or blood stem cell transplant, which includes bone marrow transplants, can make you more likely to get severely ill from COVID-19.

Get more information:

Stroke or cerebrovascular disease, which affects blood flow to the brain
Having cerebrovascular disease, such as having a stroke, can make you more likely to get severely ill from COVID-19.

Get more information:

Substance use disorders
Having a substance use disorder (such as alcohol, opioid, or cocaine use disorder) can make you more likely to get severely ill from COVID-19.

Get more information:

[paste:font size="5"]One way to protect the health of children is to ensure that all adults in a household are fully vaccinated against COVID-19.



https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/need-extra-precautions/people-with-medical-conditions.html
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Any reasonable person can go to the CDC page you posted and clearly see it was never updated in 2021. Stop shoveling nonsense, it is getting old.
 
if you were not such an uninformed lying asshole... you would have clicked on the link I provided in the post below and realized it said "Updated Aug. 20, 2021"


jem said:
what a fake science touting lying moron you are.. the definition has not changed...

Updated Aug. 20, 2021



Overview
Adults of any age with the following conditions can be more likely to get severely ill from COVID-19. Severe illness means that a person with COVID-19 may need:

  • Hospitalization
  • Intensive care
  • A ventilator to help them breathe
  • Or they may even die

...

Medical Conditions in Adults
  • This list is presented in alphabetical order and not in order of risk.
  • CDC completed an evidence review process for each medical condition on this list to ensure they met criteria for inclusion on this webpage.
  • We are learning more about COVID-19 every day, and this list may be updated as the science evolves.
Cancer
Having cancer can make you more likely to get severely ill from COVID-19. Treatments for many types of cancer can weaken your body’s ability to fight off disease. At this time, based on available studies, having a history of cancer may increase your risk.

Get more information:

Chronic kidney disease
Having chronic kidney disease of any stage can make you more likely to get severely ill from COVID-19.

Get more information:

Chronic lung diseases, including COPD (chronic obstructive pulmonary disease), asthma (moderate-to-severe), interstitial lung disease, cystic fibrosis, and pulmonary hypertension
Chronic lung diseases can make you more likely to get severely ill from COVID-19. These diseases may include:

  • Asthma, if it’s moderate to severe
  • Chronic obstructive pulmonary disease (COPD), including emphysema and chronic bronchitis
  • Having damaged or scarred lung tissue such as interstitial lung disease (including idiopathic pulmonary fibrosis)
  • Cystic fibrosis, with or without lung or other solid organ transplant
  • Pulmonary hypertension (high blood pressure in the lungs)
Get more information:

Dementia or other neurological conditions
Having neurological conditions, such as dementia, can make you more likely to get severely ill from COVID-19.

Get more information:

Diabetes (type 1 or type 2)
Having either type 1 or type 2 diabetes can make you more likely to get severely ill from COVID-19.

Get more information:

Down syndrome
Having Down syndrome can make you more likely to get severely ill from COVID-19.

Get more information:

Heart conditions (such as heart failure, coronary artery disease, cardiomyopathies or hypertension)
Having heart conditions such as heart failure, coronary artery disease, cardiomyopathies, and possibly high blood pressure (hypertension) can make you more likely to get severely ill from COVID-19.

Get more information:

HIV infection
Having HIV (Human Immunodeficiency Virus) can make you more likely to get severely ill from COVID-19.

Get more information:

Immunocompromised state (weakened immune system)
Having a weakened immune system can make you more likely to get severely ill from COVID-19. Many conditions and treatments can cause a person to be immunocompromised or have a weakened immune system. Primary immunodeficiency is caused by genetic defects that can be inherited. Prolonged use of corticosteroids or other immune weakening medicines can lead to secondary or acquired immunodeficiency.

People who have a condition or are taking medications that weaken their immune system may not be fully protected even if they are fully vaccinated. They should continue to take all precautions recommended for unvaccinated people, including wearing a well-fitted mask, until advised otherwise by their healthcare provider.

Get more information:

Liver disease
Having chronic liver disease, such as alcohol-related liver disease, nonalcoholic fatty liver disease, and especially cirrhosis, or scarring of the liver, can make you more likely to get severely ill from COVID-19.

Get more information:

Overweight and obesity
Overweight (defined as a body mass index (BMI) > 25 kg/m2 but < 30 kg/m2), obesity (BMI ≥30 kg/m2 but < 40 kg/m2), or severe obesity (BMI of ≥40 kg/m2), can make you more likely to get severely ill from COVID-19. The risk of severe COVID-19 illness increases sharply with elevated BMI.

Get more information:

Pregnancy
Pregnant and recently pregnant people (for at least 42 days following end of pregnancy) are more likely to get severely ill from COVID-19 compared with non-pregnant people.

Get more information:

Sickle cell disease or thalassemia
Having hemoglobin blood disorders like sickle cell disease (SCD) or thalassemia can make you more likely to get severely ill from COVID-19.

Get more information:

Smoking, current or former
Being a current or former cigarette smoker can make you more likely to get severely ill from COVID-19. If you currently smoke, quit. If you used to smoke, don’t start again. If you’ve never smoked, don’t start.

Get more information:

Solid organ or blood stem cell transplant
Having had a solid organ or blood stem cell transplant, which includes bone marrow transplants, can make you more likely to get severely ill from COVID-19.

Get more information:

Stroke or cerebrovascular disease, which affects blood flow to the brain
Having cerebrovascular disease, such as having a stroke, can make you more likely to get severely ill from COVID-19.

Get more information:

Substance use disorders
Having a substance use disorder (such as alcohol, opioid, or cocaine use disorder) can make you more likely to get severely ill from COVID-19.

Get more information:

[paste:font size="5"]One way to protect the health of children is to ensure that all adults in a household are fully vaccinated against COVID-19.



https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/need-extra-precautions/people-with-medical-conditions.html
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gwb-trading said:
Any reasonable person can go to the CDC page you posted and clearly see it was never updated in 2021. Stop shoveling nonsense, it is getting old.
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The page claims to have been updated Aug. 20, 2021.
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/need-extra-precautions/people-with-medical-conditions.html
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ph1l said:
The page claims to have been updated Aug. 20, 2021.
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/need-extra-precautions/people-with-medical-conditions.html
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However that is not the page Jem posted and is not the page we are discussing. His post is here - https://www.elitetrader.com/et/thre...ethical-minefield.361351/page-11#post-5457199

Jem posted this CDC page multiple times while hurling insults.
https://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2020/p0625-update-expands-covid-19.html

So stop trying to mislead the discussion by posting the wrong CDC page.

CDC-2020-Covid-page.jpg
 
no asshole... I posted multiple pages...
You can see I provided the posts and the links... and I was very clear about it.

you just had no desire to learn... obviously you did not read or did not process the argument

But that is how knowledge works.
you see the definition.. and then you see a new page where the CDC updates how the high risk category works with updated information....

you are a lying vax nazi piece shit ... uninterested in learning anything that is not fed to you by you vax nazi pay masters.


gwb-trading said:
However that is not the page Jem posted and is not the page we are discussing. His post is here - https://www.elitetrader.com/et/thre...ethical-minefield.361351/page-11#post-5457199

Jem posted this CDC page multiple times while hurling insults.
https://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2020/p0625-update-expands-covid-19.html

So stop trying to mislead the discussion by posting the wrong CDC page.

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jem said:
no asshole... I posted multiple pages...
You can see I provided the posts and the links... and I was very clear about it.

you just had no desire to learn... obviously you did not read or did not process the argument

But that is how knowledge works.
you see the definition.. and then you see a new page where the CDC updates how the high risk category works with updated information....

you are a lying vax nazi piece shit ... uninterested in learning anything that is not fed to you by you vax nazi pay masters.
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Still pushing natural immunity nonsense, eh? Let's read the feedback from respected experts....

The GOP Michigan Senate Leader Mike Shirkey pushes the same "natural immunity" nonsense as Jem. Let's take a look at respected university experts telling him it is complete nonsense.

We will start with a few selected quotes which outline the science...

Oakland University President Ora Hirsch Pescovitz responded that her school had not ignored the data. Scientific research doesn't support Shirkey's "contention that naturally acquired immunity is as good as or better than vaccinated immunity," she wrote.
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Likewise, Wayne State University President M. Roy Wilson, who studied medicine at Harvard Medical School, replied to Shirkey that there was no "body of research" that proves natural immunity is better than the protection provided by vaccination.

"As of today, evidence that immunity gained from infection is superior to that provided by vaccination is lacking," Wilson wrote to Shirkey on Aug. 13. "Indeed, there is strong evidence to the contrary, and current studies indicate that natural infection is accompanied by a significant and observable decline in neutralizing antibody in the three months following infection."
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"Nor has the concept of interrupting or disrupting of natural immunity by any vaccine ever been shown in scientific, peer-reviewed studies," Wilson added. "In fact, ample data indicate that protection against COVID-19 following vaccination is likely to have significantly longer duration compared with protection provided through natural infection."

Let's read the article with important information from respected scientists and leaders bolded. This "natural immunity" misinformation that Jem regularly pushes is complete nonsense.

Michigan Senate leader questioned universities on vaccines; they pushed back
https://www.detroitnews.com/story/n...rsities-vaccines-they-pushed-back/8319307002/

Lansing — Michigan Senate Majority Leader Mike Shirkey and the heads of the state's largest universities have quietly exchanged letters in recent weeks, disagreeing over decisions to require COVID-19 vaccinations on campuses.

On Aug. 11, Shirkey of Clarklake, the top Republican in the GOP-controlled Senate, sent messages to eight universities or colleges, saying he was "distressed" the institutions had "chosen to ignore" research on natural immunity, immunity gained after recovering from the virus.

Some of the education leaders, including multiple with backgrounds in medicine and public health, fired back at the lawmaker, contending that his claims were inaccurate and they were doing what was needed to protect their students. The letters were provided to The Detroit News by Shirkey's office and the universities.

In his letters last month, Shirkey asked university leaders for "further explanation" on their decisions to require vaccinations. He specifically questioned whether the goal of the policies was "health" or the "elimination of risk."

"As I am sure you are aware, much of the research suggests that most college-age individuals are not at risk of a severe negative outcome if they are infected," Shirkey wrote. "And it is possible that interrupting their ability to develop natural immunity may actually be counterproductive to their future health."

A "vaccine-alone strategy" to public health is incomplete, argued Shirkey, who previously had COVID-19 himself. He said the science is "sound around well-established methods for maximizing resilience to illness such as exercise, sleep, proper nutrition and vitamins and minerals."

"Additionally, despite the growing body of research that naturally acquired immunity is as good as or better than vaccinated immunity, I am distressed that your institution has chosen to ignore it," Shirkey said.

But Oakland University President Ora Hirsch Pescovitz responded that her school had not ignored the data. Scientific research doesn't support Shirkey's "contention that naturally acquired immunity is as good as or better than vaccinated immunity," she wrote.

"In fact, the consensus from the scientific community is that even previously infected individuals like you, should still receive vaccination to protect them from re-infection with COVID," Hirsch Pescovtiz responded to the Senate leader.

Oakland University doesn't have a university-wide mandate for students, faculty and staff to receive COVID-19 vaccinations but does have a selective vaccine mandate for students in residence halls, according to the response from Hirsch Pescovitz. She has a medical degree from Northwestern University’s Feinberg School of Medicine and was the first female CEO of the University of Michigan’s Health System, according To her university biography.

The Michigan Department of Health and Human Services continues to recommend vaccination even for those who have contracted the virus.

"Yes, you should still get the COVID-19 vaccine, even if you have had COVID-19," according to a statement on the state health department's website. "There is not enough information currently available to say if or for how long after infection someone is protected from getting COVID-19 again; this is called natural immunity.

"Early evidence suggests natural immunity from COVID-19 may not last very long, but more studies are needed to better understand this. People who have had COVID-19 can still get a vaccine. CDC recommends getting it after you have recovered. You should check with your health care provider if you have questions."

WSU, UM reject claims
Likewise, Wayne State University President M. Roy Wilson, who studied medicine at Harvard Medical School, replied to Shirkey that there was no "body of research" that proves natural immunity is better than the protection provided by vaccination.

"As of today, evidence that immunity gained from infection is superior to that provided by vaccination is lacking," Wilson wrote to Shirkey on Aug. 13. "Indeed, there is strong evidence to the contrary, and current studies indicate that natural infection is accompanied by a significant and observable decline in neutralizing antibody in the three months following infection."

Wilson previously served as deputy director for strategic scientific planning and program coordination at the National Institute on Minority Health and Health Disparities of the National Institutes of Health, according to his official biography.

Wilson said the only way to develop natural immunity is to contract the virus, which "is dangerous and potentially deadly." There is "no scientific evidence" that the vaccine interrupts natural immunity, he said.

"Nor has the concept of interrupting or disrupting of natural immunity by any vaccine ever been shown in scientific, peer-reviewed studies," Wilson added. "In fact, ample data indicate that protection against COVID-19 following vaccination is likely to have significantly longer duration compared with protection provided through natural infection."

Wayne State University has imposed a requirement that students who want to be on campus must be vaccinated. Religious and health exemptions are provided, Wilson wrote in his letter to Shirkey.

The University of Michigan has a vaccine requirement for all students, faculty and staff on its three campuses. It also offers medical and religious exemptions. UM President Mark Schlissel has a science background and studied at Johns Hopkins University School of Medicine.

In his response to Shirkey, Schlissel noted that the federal Centers for Disease Control and Prevention recommends that those who have had COVID-19, like Shirkey, also get vaccinated against the virus. Research has not yet shown how long a person is protected from getting COVID-19 again after they recover, according to the CDC.

A viral pandemic is one of the few circumstances "where one person’s decision about whether to get vaccinated can affect another person’s health and well-being," Schlissel wrote.

"We agree with you that there is nothing anyone can do to fully eliminate risk, but the vaccination requirement helps us do everything possible to minimize those risks to our students, faculty, staff, patients, and community — particularly the risk of hospitalization or death, and the risk of transmitting disease to those who cannot be vaccinated," he wrote to Shirkey.

Likewise, Michigan State University has imposed a vaccine mandate, and President Samuel Stanley is a physician and an infectious disease researcher. While a "healthy lifestyle helps the body fight disease," previously healthy people are still stricken with COVID-19, Stanley wrote to Shirkey.

"At MSU, we have implemented programs to support students’ healthy choices for many years and will continue doing so," Stanley wrote. "We also have urged people to observe proven safety measures such as handwashing, masking and physical distancing. Those efforts will continue.

"We are not simply relying on vaccinations and mask wearing, but we do believe these measures remain the best path to returning to the in-person learning, living and working we all seek."

(More at above url)
 
when a troll gets caught being a moron liar.
Change the subject and lie about a new topic.

That is GWB lyings... 3rd favorite tactic from his troll playbook.



gwb-trading said:
Still pushing natural immunity nonsense, eh? Let's read the feedback from respected experts....

The GOP Michigan Senate Leader Mike Shirkey pushes the same "natural immunity" nonsense as Jem. Let's take a look at respected university experts telling him it is complete nonsense.

We will start with a few selected quotes which outline the science...

Oakland University President Ora Hirsch Pescovitz responded that her school had not ignored the data. Scientific research doesn't support Shirkey's "contention that naturally acquired immunity is as good as or better than vaccinated immunity," she wrote.
-----------
Likewise, Wayne State University President M. Roy Wilson, who studied medicine at Harvard Medical School, replied to Shirkey that there was no "body of research" that proves natural immunity is better than the protection provided by vaccination.

"As of today, evidence that immunity gained from infection is superior to that provided by vaccination is lacking," Wilson wrote to Shirkey on Aug. 13. "Indeed, there is strong evidence to the contrary, and current studies indicate that natural infection is accompanied by a significant and observable decline in neutralizing antibody in the three months following infection."
---------
"Nor has the concept of interrupting or disrupting of natural immunity by any vaccine ever been shown in scientific, peer-reviewed studies," Wilson added. "In fact, ample data indicate that protection against COVID-19 following vaccination is likely to have significantly longer duration compared with protection provided through natural infection."

Let's read the article with important information from respected scientists and leaders bolded. This "natural immunity" misinformation that Jem regularly pushes is complete nonsense.

Michigan Senate leader questioned universities on vaccines; they pushed back
https://www.detroitnews.com/story/n...rsities-vaccines-they-pushed-back/8319307002/

Lansing — Michigan Senate Majority Leader Mike Shirkey and the heads of the state's largest universities have quietly exchanged letters in recent weeks, disagreeing over decisions to require COVID-19 vaccinations on campuses.

On Aug. 11, Shirkey of Clarklake, the top Republican in the GOP-controlled Senate, sent messages to eight universities or colleges, saying he was "distressed" the institutions had "chosen to ignore" research on natural immunity, immunity gained after recovering from the virus.

Some of the education leaders, including multiple with backgrounds in medicine and public health, fired back at the lawmaker, contending that his claims were inaccurate and they were doing what was needed to protect their students. The letters were provided to The Detroit News by Shirkey's office and the universities.

In his letters last month, Shirkey asked university leaders for "further explanation" on their decisions to require vaccinations. He specifically questioned whether the goal of the policies was "health" or the "elimination of risk."

"As I am sure you are aware, much of the research suggests that most college-age individuals are not at risk of a severe negative outcome if they are infected," Shirkey wrote. "And it is possible that interrupting their ability to develop natural immunity may actually be counterproductive to their future health."

A "vaccine-alone strategy" to public health is incomplete, argued Shirkey, who previously had COVID-19 himself. He said the science is "sound around well-established methods for maximizing resilience to illness such as exercise, sleep, proper nutrition and vitamins and minerals."

"Additionally, despite the growing body of research that naturally acquired immunity is as good as or better than vaccinated immunity, I am distressed that your institution has chosen to ignore it," Shirkey said.

But Oakland University President Ora Hirsch Pescovitz responded that her school had not ignored the data. Scientific research doesn't support Shirkey's "contention that naturally acquired immunity is as good as or better than vaccinated immunity," she wrote.

"In fact, the consensus from the scientific community is that even previously infected individuals like you, should still receive vaccination to protect them from re-infection with COVID," Hirsch Pescovtiz responded to the Senate leader.

Oakland University doesn't have a university-wide mandate for students, faculty and staff to receive COVID-19 vaccinations but does have a selective vaccine mandate for students in residence halls, according to the response from Hirsch Pescovitz. She has a medical degree from Northwestern University’s Feinberg School of Medicine and was the first female CEO of the University of Michigan’s Health System, according To her university biography.

The Michigan Department of Health and Human Services continues to recommend vaccination even for those who have contracted the virus.

"Yes, you should still get the COVID-19 vaccine, even if you have had COVID-19," according to a statement on the state health department's website. "There is not enough information currently available to say if or for how long after infection someone is protected from getting COVID-19 again; this is called natural immunity.

"Early evidence suggests natural immunity from COVID-19 may not last very long, but more studies are needed to better understand this. People who have had COVID-19 can still get a vaccine. CDC recommends getting it after you have recovered. You should check with your health care provider if you have questions."

WSU, UM reject claims
Likewise, Wayne State University President M. Roy Wilson, who studied medicine at Harvard Medical School, replied to Shirkey that there was no "body of research" that proves natural immunity is better than the protection provided by vaccination.

"As of today, evidence that immunity gained from infection is superior to that provided by vaccination is lacking," Wilson wrote to Shirkey on Aug. 13. "Indeed, there is strong evidence to the contrary, and current studies indicate that natural infection is accompanied by a significant and observable decline in neutralizing antibody in the three months following infection."

Wilson previously served as deputy director for strategic scientific planning and program coordination at the National Institute on Minority Health and Health Disparities of the National Institutes of Health, according to his official biography.

Wilson said the only way to develop natural immunity is to contract the virus, which "is dangerous and potentially deadly." There is "no scientific evidence" that the vaccine interrupts natural immunity, he said.

"Nor has the concept of interrupting or disrupting of natural immunity by any vaccine ever been shown in scientific, peer-reviewed studies," Wilson added. "In fact, ample data indicate that protection against COVID-19 following vaccination is likely to have significantly longer duration compared with protection provided through natural infection."

Wayne State University has imposed a requirement that students who want to be on campus must be vaccinated. Religious and health exemptions are provided, Wilson wrote in his letter to Shirkey.

The University of Michigan has a vaccine requirement for all students, faculty and staff on its three campuses. It also offers medical and religious exemptions. UM President Mark Schlissel has a science background and studied at Johns Hopkins University School of Medicine.

In his response to Shirkey, Schlissel noted that the federal Centers for Disease Control and Prevention recommends that those who have had COVID-19, like Shirkey, also get vaccinated against the virus. Research has not yet shown how long a person is protected from getting COVID-19 again after they recover, according to the CDC.

A viral pandemic is one of the few circumstances "where one person’s decision about whether to get vaccinated can affect another person’s health and well-being," Schlissel wrote.

"We agree with you that there is nothing anyone can do to fully eliminate risk, but the vaccination requirement helps us do everything possible to minimize those risks to our students, faculty, staff, patients, and community — particularly the risk of hospitalization or death, and the risk of transmitting disease to those who cannot be vaccinated," he wrote to Shirkey.

Likewise, Michigan State University has imposed a vaccine mandate, and President Samuel Stanley is a physician and an infectious disease researcher. While a "healthy lifestyle helps the body fight disease," previously healthy people are still stricken with COVID-19, Stanley wrote to Shirkey.

"At MSU, we have implemented programs to support students’ healthy choices for many years and will continue doing so," Stanley wrote. "We also have urged people to observe proven safety measures such as handwashing, masking and physical distancing. Those efforts will continue.

"We are not simply relying on vaccinations and mask wearing, but we do believe these measures remain the best path to returning to the in-person learning, living and working we all seek."

(More at above url)
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jem said:
when a troll gets caught being a moron liar.
Change the subject and lie about a new topic.

That is GWB lyings... 3rd favorite tactic from his troll playbook.
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Once again -- you fail to read or understand what medical experts and leaders are saying.
 
Once again you prove to be anti science and anti data...
from the best data set we have...

here it is the best data and incredibly precise work... showing natural immunity is 7 to 13 times when comparing naive vaccinees to those who previously had covid. We should also not natural immunity was 27 times better at preventing asymptomatic covid.




https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.08.24.21262415v1

Results SARS-CoV-2-naïve vaccinees had a 13.06-fold (95% CI, 8.08 to 21.11) increased risk for breakthrough infection with the Delta variant compared to those previously infected, when the first event (infection or vaccination) occurred during January and February of 2021. The increased risk was significant (P<0.001) for symptomatic disease as well. When allowing the infection to occur at any time before vaccination (from March 2020 to February 2021), evidence of waning natural immunity was demonstrated, though SARS-CoV-2 naïve vaccinees had a 5.96-fold (95% CI, 4.85 to 7.33) increased risk for breakthrough infection and a 7.13-fold (95% CI, 5.51 to 9.21) increased risk for symptomatic disease. SARS-CoV-2-naïve vaccinees were also at a greater risk for COVID-19-related-hospitalizations compared to those that were previously infected.

Conclusions This study demonstrated that natural immunity confers longer lasting and stronger protection against infection, symptomatic disease and hospitalization caused by the Delta variant of SARS-CoV-2, compared to the BNT162b2 two-dose vaccine-induced immunity. Individuals who were both previously infected with SARS-CoV-2 and given a single dose of the vaccine gained additional protection against the Delta variant.



gwb-trading said:
Once again -- you fail to read or understand what medical experts and leaders are saying.
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https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.08.24.21262415v1
 
jem said:
Once again you prove to be anti science and anti data...
from the best data set we have...

here it is the best data and incredibly precise work... showing natural immunity is 7 to 13 times when comparing naive vaccinees to those who previously had covid. We should also not natural immunity was 27 times better at preventing asymptomatic covid.




https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.08.24.21262415v1

Results SARS-CoV-2-naïve vaccinees had a 13.06-fold (95% CI, 8.08 to 21.11) increased risk for breakthrough infection with the Delta variant compared to those previously infected, when the first event (infection or vaccination) occurred during January and February of 2021. The increased risk was significant (P<0.001) for symptomatic disease as well. When allowing the infection to occur at any time before vaccination (from March 2020 to February 2021), evidence of waning natural immunity was demonstrated, though SARS-CoV-2 naïve vaccinees had a 5.96-fold (95% CI, 4.85 to 7.33) increased risk for breakthrough infection and a 7.13-fold (95% CI, 5.51 to 9.21) increased risk for symptomatic disease. SARS-CoV-2-naïve vaccinees were also at a greater risk for COVID-19-related-hospitalizations compared to those that were previously infected.

Conclusions This study demonstrated that natural immunity confers longer lasting and stronger protection against infection, symptomatic disease and hospitalization caused by the Delta variant of SARS-CoV-2, compared to the BNT162b2 two-dose vaccine-induced immunity. Individuals who were both previously infected with SARS-CoV-2 and given a single dose of the vaccine gained additional protection against the Delta variant.







https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.08.24.21262415v1
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Once again you are pushing a non-peer reviewed pre-print study while actually attempting to push a false narrative from the study's results -- which actually states that people who had Covid need one dose of the vaccine for best protection.
 
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